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AAAAHHH! attack of the fry!!!!

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By Fishes4Nancy, Section Diaries
Posted on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 10:17:23 AM PST
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So...many...fry....
can't...breathe...



ok, so while i was away for 2 weeks, my 2 females had about 40 fry. it's ridiculous. my question is, what fish could i put in that would eat fry consistently without harming my adult guppies?
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AAAAHHH! attack of the fry!!!! | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: AAAAHHH! attack of the fry!!!! (none / 0) (#1)
by Fishes4Nancy on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 02:26:41 PM PST

god, what happened to this place? no one posts anymore! just when scott fixed everything, everyone disappears! pfft. that's just fine. whatever.



Re: AAAAHHH! attack of the fry!!!! (none / 0) (#2)
by New Guppy Momma on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 05:29:27 PM PST

Sorry I've been busy. I started a new job a couple weeks ago. Plus I have a house to run, clean and all that and my children are no help.

As to the topic I've had good success using a Dwarf Gourami (I currently have a Platinum Dwarf in my 74 gallon Beast). That and not saving every fry that comes along. Altho I am still swamped with guppies. I started with one and even after giving about 20 males away I still have about 100+ gups. Might be time to get another gourami or a bit bigger fish. Maybe some swordtails will help the problem.

Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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Your post really made me grin. We need (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 10:42:50 AM PST

neat posts like that.

Right after, we got our phone service changed ("ported" our old land-line number of 32 years to a cell phone. Too many friends and acquaintances will reappear, after a time, to get rid of it.)

Naturally that was all too complicated for the phone company and they cut off our DSL line (which was specifically to remain) for a week. Those things, and then family responsibilities, happen. :)

Ulp, I've gotta go move some fry into a new (but set up) 15-gallon tank and then set up a couple of pairs to spawn. Yesterday finally moved the Gambusia vittata into better (lushly planted) quarters.

Finding lots of fry is cool, but as you note, sometimes a bit harrowing.

All the best!

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Re: Your post really made me grin. We need (none / 0) (#4)
by New Guppy Momma on Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 08:30:03 PM PST

Oh and I spotted my first 1/2 grown molly fry. S/he is about an inch long and has big black eyes. Molly fry are definitely distinguishable from guppy fry. Mollies seem to have their mouths on the top of their heads as compared to guppies. Oh and I have "Moon" fry (I still think a Moon is a cross between a platy and a mollie or a Swordtail. Altho I think more mollyish).
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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Both platys and variatus have been called (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:31:04 PM PST

Platyfish. Platys

In the 1950s and probably earlier, there were half-moon platys. I remember those in the stores in the '60s. The 19th edition (revised) of William Innes' Exotic Aquarium Fishes notes that there were wild platies (or platyfish back then) with a dark moon shaped dark mark at the base of the tail. Innes had been issuing editions of that book (kind of a Bible of the hobby since 1938 and had been printing aquarium books for a couple of decades before.

Both Innes and Lothar Wischnath (in his Encyclopedia of Livebearers and in Swordtails and Platys are quick to credit Dr. Myron Gordon with doing a lot for the hobby in collecting many of the platys in Mexico and Central America from the 1920s and 30s on. He used a model T Ford in some cases. He is also c and in experimenting with various crosses in his cancer research. (Many adult crosses would develop cancers and some crosses are maintained at the Xiphophorus stock center so that they may be sold to cancer researchers.

A number of egg layers have been subjected to crossing experiments. Sometimes eggs were not even fertilized. Other times the embryo died - often of some sort of cancer.

http://xiphophorus.org/

A little more on Dr. Gordon:
http://www.xiphophorus.org/xgsc.htm

http://www.xiphophorus.org/100300s6/css/100300s6_1.htm

Wischnath describes a moon platy as a platys with a black spot in the caudal peduncle. (The caudal peduncle is the connection between the tail rays and the body.) Wischnath suggests that a complete moon is where the platy has a spot in the caudal and two spots to the top and bottom of that spot towards the tail. I think that is where we get the mickey mouse platys. Gordon has written of a moon and referred to the two smaller spots to the rear as satellites.

You association of variatus is relevant. Both Xiphophorus maculatus (the platy) and X. variatus are associated with shallows and spring outflows. The maculatus is found in a wide range on the bottom half of east coast (Atlantic drainage) of Mexico through Guatemala to Belize. Other Xiphophorus are found in Hondoras. Interestingly, there are a bunch of platy and swordtail types found in streams and rivers in the Maculatus range. The common swordtail X. helleri is sometimes found in the same waters as platys, but the more streamlined adult swords are more often out in the current,

X. variatus ranges further north in the Atlantic flowage. They are again certainly not the only Xiphophorus or platys types in that area. I was surprised to find that they get fairly close to the US and may be tolerant of slightly cooler temperatures.

http://xiphophorus.org/distribution.htm

Gordon notes that crosses between Xiphophorus were not always easy to get. One of the early Baensch atlases carries an image of a wild variatus. It is quite colorful. They also show pictures of X. helleri with red on their sides. One wild helleri is almost all red.

Hobby platys are often a lot different from the wild macularius. A European hobbyist (according to Innes) developed a gold platy sport as early as 1916. 15 years later Gordon announced that the yellow was a result of less melanin (smaller melanophores) This sounds a lot like the golden guppies and Endler's livebearers (P. wingei maybe).

There have been a couple of variations on the gold platys, one strongly gold and one pretty light. It would be interesting to have someone check their melanophores or lack of them. Wischnath suggests that the "white-gold" strains owe their hue to a variety of genetic factors.

Mollies are show greater differences in their DNA and in the shape of their reproductive organs. Though several of them may be again assigned to Mollenesia (molly) they are not considered close relatives of the Xiphophorus. And remember, they had some trouble crossing various Xiphophorus. So mollies probably are not a part of the formula.

Tuxedo platys and swordtails, with dark sides have long been in the hobby. So too has a almost all black swordtail. Mollies in our hobby weren't a part of that process. But as many as three or four molly species may have contributed to our different commercial hobby strains of molly.

As another aside on Gordon, Al Klee, in his The Toy Fish: A History of the Aquarium Hobby in America - the First One-Hundred Years records accounts of Gordon, as a teenager, buying guppies from a New York city pet shop about 1916. A little later,hHe also bought some platys from Hermann Rabenau, the first importer of tropical fish to the US. Gordon raised at least ten generations before going off to college.

By the way, a 1927 ad for Platypoecilus asked $1.25 for a pair or ten for $6.00. The metal shipping can was 50 cents, plus shipping. That pair would be close to $40 today. Henry Ford paid relatively high wages. His factory workers got 10 cents an hour for 10-hour days. Many working stiffs got half that. So buying a pair of platys with shipping and all was close to two day's wage for an Ford autoworker.

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