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A Word About Drinking Water in Stores

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By unclescott
from the Practical Aquarist department, Section Diaries
Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:16:57 AM PST
We've talked before here about using bottled water from grocery stores for emergency water changes, when one has no treated and "seasoned" water.  At least one manufacturer of those Betta vases suggests doing that too, thus avoiding the chloramines (chlorine and ammonia) and other toxins put in our water supplies, hopefully at such a level as kill bacteria and protists but not us. Raw tap water of that sort can be very dangerous for aquarium fish and we've flogged that a lot. (But see Immediate Help for a little more info.)



That set of issues even came up when a company selling bottled spring water was sued several years ago. They were bottling genuine spring water. It comes from the ground and not surprisingly has a few bacteria in it. (Show me any part of the world without bacteria, short of an active volcano or maybe a very cold glacier.) Some party with an immunity deficiency died from an infection and the inevitable lawsuit followed. There was an immediate ripple effected in the water bottling industry. Most bottlers switched to running their water through an RO (Reverse Osmosis) unit and sometimes a DI (resin based) unit as well. According to a friend who owns a water-bottling outfit, bottlers then add calcium, magnesium and potassium. (According to him, the later gives water it's taste.)

I asked if the bottlers recorded HOW MUCH of those very essential minerals (try developing bones, muscles, properly working nervous systems without them). He surprised me by noted that they had to say what was put in their water but not how much. I guess that is what is called a proprietary trade secret for each company.

Let me reiterate. I am an aquarist, most certainly not a chemist. Not many chemical formulas get studied in history courses. ;)

Imagine my surprise when, out of curiosity I took a TDS meter to samples of a few bottles and jugs of locally sold "Drinking Water" and got wildly different readings on different products! A TDS meter measures almost all molecules other than the pure water. A hardness meter or test kit only measures a certain set of molecules (calcium, magnesium, iron and some others.) Interestingly sodium chloride doesn't show up on either pH or hardness meters. But boy does it show an influence upon TDS measurements!

Actually TDS meters are measuring microsiemens, a measure of conductivity. But for those of us with a gizmo labeled TDS meters, the readout is calibrated inside to give a number on the display. It is close enough for the purposes of gardeners and aquarists. (I got my Hanna TDS meter for about half the usual price from an orchid site on-line).

When moving guppies and other aquarium fish, we want to move fish into other tanks with water close to what they were used to. As a general principle, fish shouldn't be put into water of more than a degree difference in pH or into water a lot different in terms of hardness or total mineral content. A TDS meter has nothing to do with pH, but sure works well enough in other ways.

If a tank, which has just been left alone is measured with a TDS meter and the reading is a lot higher (say 500 PPM rather than 300 PPM) than it was a month before, it is time to get going with the partial water changes. A LOT of nitrates and other waste materials have gathered in there and the fish are in danger of nitrate poisoning!

As a general rule, we can move fish into water with slightly high temperatures (79 as opposed to 77F) or slightly high pH readings (7.9 as opposed to 7.5) or somewhat higher hardness or TDS. It stresses the fish more to go the other way, especially with temperature and then an Ick epidemic breaks out!

A dramatic example of a horrendous sudden change happened when a female killifish (silly girl) jumped out of her tank and into a barrel of RO water, which has virtually no hardness and almost no free oxygen. She was dead when I found her. A postmortem was not done, I do not know if she suffocated from a lack of oxygen or because the sudden osmotic pressure change of the water caused her gills to gradually burst. But I would not wish that fate on any creature!

The first water sample I tested was from an inexpensively priced gallon of "Drinking Water" from a discount grocery store. I was dumbfounded when it measured zero PPM on the meter! I took another cheap (69 or 79 cent) gallon of "Drinking Water" purchased and measured a sample. It measured 1 PPM.

A closer look at their labels indicated that the water in one case was purified by Reverse Osmosis. In the other case it was purified by Reverse Osmosis or Distillation. That is much the same as (and actually more pure than) the stuff coming out of my home RO unit! It is great for topping off winter evaporation in an aquarium, watering house plants, ironing clothing, or gradually lowering the mineral content in an aquarium so that tetras or some other "difficult" rain forest fish will begin to lay viable eggs.

But that water can be very dangerous if just added to an aquarium. While older men (vulnerable to stones in their urinary system) might be well advised to drink some RO water, it could be suicidal for athletes or people working in the summer heat to drink. Those people need the minerals in order to sweat and keep a consistent body temperature. A few years ago a college football player in this area collapsed after practice. His body temperature was rising rapidly. (At above 104 F proteins begin to break down.) They were unable to revive him and tragically he died.

While it is probably less dangerous, people with calcium deficiencies on their skeletal structure or osteoporosis or the potential for things of that sort don't need to drink those either. And they really don't need to make coffee with those waters. ;)

I'm no more a medical person than a chemist, but a letter may go out to these companies expressing my concern. I'm not interested in a lawsuit (not a lawyer either) but the potential for people getting hurt is there.

That water is just the opposite of these energy drinks, which have entirely too much stuff (a nice way of saying crap) in them.

A couple of other more expensive drinking waters were sampled. One brand name measured about 50 PPM and another associated with a grocery chain measured a TDS of 322. Those are undoubtedly safer to drink and use with fish. Note though that one was over six times the TDS of the other.  We may still need to add water gradually to a tank and to carefully adjust new acquisitions to their new homes. See http://www.guppylog.com/story/2005/9/7/145228/6771
on acclimating new fish to an aquarium.

Do you need a TDS meter if you are not a really serious (maybe crazy) aquarist or gardener? No!

But we (certainly I) need to read the small print with the contents more carefully. The two waters with positive reading, in addition to the RO water, contained Calcium Chloride, Sodium Bicarbonate (bet the pH was higher in that one) and Magnesium Sulfate in one mix. The water, which tested 322, didn't say what was in there!

And we need to adjust water to tanks and the fish to different waters gradually.

There are other issues pertaining to tap water and aquarium fishes, which have come up lately. They will be touched in another diary, "down the road." ;)

Associated with that, is there a traditional day when people, especially home makers, wash clothing? I'm pretty ignorant of that. I threw some stuff (same colors) in the wash this morning, but that is on the "We don't need fish water this AM, the laundry basket is full and my wife might be absolutely amazed if I got off my lazy butt and put something in the wash" basis.

Why that came to mind will be explained in that other diary. :)

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I'm a Home Maker..... (none / 0) (#1)
by New Guppy Momma on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 04:53:44 PM PST

Traditional laundry day :):):)
Not here. My washer (or rather my hot water heater) and my dryer run off the same 30 amp circuit. So running my washer (and causing my hwh to kick in)and dryer at the same time runs the risk of tripping the breaker. Also running my dryer and stove run the risk of tripping my whole house. (I only have 100 amps coming in which is an upgrade from the original 60 when I bought the place. It's a little old mobile home for those who don't know.) So we have "do laundry on days when I don't have too much other electrical junk running". I normally toss a load in the wash at night and into the dryer in the morning before everyone is up.

As for drinking water I do know there are differences in them. Some just taste so nasty. My tap water (not really bad for health just really bad tasting)tastes better than some of it.  

My fish seem to like it tho. except my Mom just down the street has trouble with her tetra's. They keep disappearing on her. She lost 3 this past weekend. My guess is the water is too hard. It may be too hard for her loaches (albino khuli's) as well. They tend to hang out at the top all the time.

My snails seem to be ok tho. I acquired a couple Mystery snails(my fish store has them). They are big and beautiful. I have one in each tank. Plus a spare tank to put them into alone if I decide to raise baby ones :) The one in the guppy tank seems to be doing a good number on the bad case of algae in there. And the one in the Beast is pretty mobile. I lost all my ghost shrimp when I treated for parasites a few weeks ago. So I got another handful and they're doing ok. I even have an egg carrying Momma ghost shrimp. Oh and the store will take guppies in trade as long as I bought my original one there. Which I did. Her two daughter's are dropping now as well. Guess I didn't remove her son from the tank soon enough. He's now swimming with the mollies, platties and gourami's in the Beast. Soon to be joined by possibly a few more non gravid spot fry.

Well I ahve one kid in bed and the other asleep on the couch (Thank goodness for playing outside in the sun :)So I need to get one into bed and have a nice relaxing night with my Hubby.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)



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