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Caring for my birthing tank

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By camianna, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 08:20:06 AM PST
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My guppy had babies for the first time and i'm trying to keep the fry as healthy as possible and need to know what is going to harm them and what is going to help them.



So when my guppy had her fry she gave birth to 8 of them and they are now being held in a one gallon tank without the mom. How long can all 8 of the fry stay in the tank before the tank is too small for them? Also when she gave birth the water became really cloudy. Is that normal and how do i get rid of the cloudiness without harming the 2 day old fry? Lastly...I got the water tested and the pH level was a little high as well as the ammonium level. Can i use chemicals to fix these problems or will the chemicals harm the fry? Thanks for any feedback that anyone has on any of my situations. Greatly appreciated!
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Caring for my birthing tank | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Caring for my birthing tank (none / 1) (#7)
by inkmaker on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 06:20:07 PM PST

The first thing should be a water change. Good water close to the same chemistry and temperature to
the starting water. One needs to be prepared to change out 25 to 50% of the water as often as 2 to 3
times a week if the tank is a gallon or less. I treat water to remove the Chlorine in a 5 gallon or 55 gallon bucket(drum)
It is ready to use as necessary. Pond snails in the brood tank are really great to keep the excess food at a minimum.
Sprigs of Java moss give an increase in surface area for helpful bacteria and Protozoa and something for the young fry to pick at.

If it is only a gallon container, the filtration is a problem but at least aeration is necessary.

So get De-chlorinated water ready to change at least some water regularly, add some pond snails and
 Java moss or other small live plants. A little air to keep the water surface broken.

Charles H
http://www.InkForYourPrinter.com



That you are testing and watching the (none / 1) (#1)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 10:02:54 AM PST

water quality of the fry is terrific. As for pH, municipal water supplies are buffered high so that lead water pipes to not leach or dissolve lead into our drinking water. Most of the hobby guppies are descended from alkaline waters anyway.

Assuming that you don't dramatically change pH more than 1 point during water
changes,they are fine at 7.5 to 8. plus a lot. ;)

The biological processes behind the nitrogen cycle (you know this, but for the benefit of someone new - the bacterial break down of the very toxic ammonia to the merely toxic nitrites to the less toxic nitrates) will naturally drop pH.

The very waste products of the guppies - urine (released primarily through the gills by the way) and feces are also acidic and drop pH. Even a gradual shift to a pH of 9 can be endured, but lower than that is better.

Now the ammonia is very dangerous and even more so at a high pH. That may also be associated with the cloudiness - which can be bacteria blooming off of all that waste material You need to do more partial water changes if that ammonia is measurable. There are however a couple of other ways to deal with that.

See also Immediate Help, the sections on
New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing
Water (cloudy/green etc.)

A quick fix is to put a water treatment in there which will temporally bond the ammonia to the chemicals added. In time the ammonia will be released, so the other things suggested here need to be considered.

In a larger aquarium, one can put activated carbon in the filter and that will be effective for a couple to a few days in taking out ammonia, It will get "full" soon. There are also more expensive resins such as Polyfilter (and many more) which will absorb ammonia.

They even have these tiny sponge filters. You could put it in the 1-gallon. Maybe start it in your established tank and then move it over wet). See the Ken's Fish ad here.

What do you treat and "season" water (let water sit a day or 14) in? If you have no such containers (clean, soap-less, food-quality plastics are good) you do need to get one or more. A (or a couple) 1-gallon drinking water jugs will do. In fact, in an emergency, one can use that water for partial water changes. Just make sure that on the label that the bottler added calcium, magnesium and potassium compounds
to the RO water that they probably started with.

Then when you have used that water up, you can put a drop of your appropriate water conditioner and refill the container with Luke-warm water. Let it sit open a day so it can shed free nitrogen and carbon dioxide and absorb oxygen.

Ah... you have that other aquarium! Did you set up the one-gallon fry tank with water from your established tank? Did you add gravel from that established tank? Did you put plants in the 1-gallon? ALL of those things help import beneficial bacteria and kick-start your nitrogen
cycle.

If the ammonia is still measurable in the 1`-gallon and fine in the regular aquarium, could you carefully siphon almost all the water out of the 1-gallon and replace it with water from your bigger tank. That of course means that you then need to treat and add some more water to the big tank. :)

What are you feeding the fry? Are they able to clean it up in a minute or three? There should be no left over food rotting and contributing ammonia to that tank.

You probably know this, but it is better to feed a couple of tiny feedings, rather than one big one a day. Having a couple of mall ramshorn (pond) snails in there helps too. If the few become a zillion snails, that is a sure sign that one is dramatically over feeding their guppies.

Still it is easier to crush and toss snails (actually I feed extras to snail eating fishes) that to deal with cloudy water or dying guppies! :)

Another trick with that one gallon is to fill it with a plant like hornwort, Najas or even water sprite. It needs to be near light, but not so hot that the fish will cook. One still needs to to partial water changes once or twice a week. The smaller the fish "tank" the more unstable can be
the water chemistry.

Where they get an hour or two of sunlight and are under the fluorescent lights for 14-16 hours, I have wide-mouthed gallon jars of young livebearers where the water has turned deep (and sometimes Kelly) green.

I also raise small freshwater crustaceans called Daphnia - which make wonderful fish food. The Daphnia, in their culturing containers eat the greenwater. When things are running well, I'm gently pouring 1/2 of that greenwater every day or three through a fine meshed net into a clean
bucket. The net catches the wayward livebearer who is returned to the jar.

Then the jar is refilled with treated, seasoned water (around here it may sit anywhere from a day to a month).

If the fish in the jar are getting 2 or 3 50% water changes a week, that is a good thing. The protists in the water both feed on tiny food scraps and have chlorophyll in their bodies. When the light is right, they will multiply and turn the water green. Good greenwater usually absorbs and uses any excess ammonia from the fish.

When a Danish aquarist was flown in to the
Milwaukee-Chicago area to speak at a fish show, some mutual friends decided to take him to visit local people and their fish rooms. Mine was a mess and it was with a little embarrassment that I agreed to invite that party in. Although he was very gracious about it, I don't think he was at all impressed with my set-up.

The only thing, which that gentleman really got interested in, were a couple of those notoriously low-tech greenwater jugs with all their livebearers. Those were what he took photos of! ;)

I think site owner Scott Lockwood moved your post over to the diaries from the Log queue. Please don't bother submitting a log. Hardly anybody will ever see your message there and it may never get to the front page. :)



Re: That you are testing and watching the (none / 0) (#2)
by Scott Lockwood on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 01:12:31 PM PST

No, I just set it to 'always display' - I didn't alter the section it was submitted to.

I can, if that's desired.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Sun spots? :) (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 08:07:40 PM PST

The submission to the log queue was there. I toodled out a response and went to the log queue to paste it into a reply. There was a message there about a 36 hour(evaluation?) procedure. Then the original post was gone and was found later on the front page. I don't think that anyone had voted upon it before it was moved.

(Plays Twilight Zone theme....)

Maybe it would be best if you would arrange to just route any log submissions to the diaries.

By the bye, is the sign-in period here timing out faster than it used to do? Or am I just getting slower? ;)

Thanks and all the best!
unc

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Re: Sun spots? :) (none / 0) (#4)
by Scott Lockwood on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 04:29:37 AM PST

It was voted on twice. It had been in the queue for more than 36 hours. The system didn't auto-post it like it was supposed to for some reason, so I posted it.

I have not adjusted the time outs. :-)  I still suggest either notepad or wordpad for composing replies.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Re: Sun spots? :) (none / 1) (#8)
by inkmaker on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 06:25:59 PM PST

The Sun has been ultra quiet for the past 3 months. Very strange!
Otherwise, Software never remains exactly the same when moved over WANs over and over. I hate to have to try to find the bit or byte that has changed. Often it has to be reloaded from start.
I wish you Scott the very best!

Charles H
http://www.InkForYourPrinter.com
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Actually I suggest anything with spell checking. ; (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:38:38 AM PST

Somebody recommended "know thyself."

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Spell checking. (none / 0) (#6)
by Scott Lockwood on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:06:13 AM PST

I can show you how to spell check from within the browser, if you use firefox. If you don't use firefox, I can help you install all the necessary parts. :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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yep, its there. The CKA site used to (none / 1) (#9)
by unclescott on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 06:44:37 AM PST

gave a down-loadable list of fish names (common and scientific). One could just plug that into their spell check. That needs to be renewed.

Wonder if any other site has such lists?

Also wonder how camianna's fry are doing. :)

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Re: yep, its there. The CKA site used to (none / 0) (#10)
by camianna on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 11:12:08 PM PST

hi,
to update you on my fry...i did a 50% water change of the tank 2 days ago and cleaned the few rocks in the tank. So the tank is now clear again and i can actually see them, and to my suprise there are 9 of them....not 8 like i had originally thought. They are all doing well and are very active :) The mom is also doing well. Thanks for all the tips.

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