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By guppylover427
from the guppylover427 department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:12:49 PM PST
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Guess what? My freshwater is foggy... again.



This is driving me insane! No matter what I do, my freshwater tank won't clear up! I don't understand what going on with it. My ammonia test says the ammonia is at zero, but the water is not only cloudy, but there aren't any particle around... I did a 50% water change, vacumed the gravel, changed the filter cartidge, took the filter apart and removed java moss that had gotten stick in the motor, rinsed the filter itself (I did this mostly because there was little worm things infesting it), removed any dead leaves pr plants, and even got different food just in case the flakes were clouding the water. In the first few months with my tank, the water was always crystal clear, the fish semed alot happier (I don't blame them), and it was just a beautiful tank. I'm just sick of having all my other tanks looking so good, and the fish being so happy, but having my freshwater so cloudy and nasty looking. I'm just out of answers. Anyone have any tips on how to get rid of the fog?
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Re: Ugh... (none / 0) (#3)
by guppylover427 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:36:31 PM PST

Well, I guess I just use the filter cartridge just to keep the water clean... But I don't just rinse the cartridge and put it back. I throw out the old one and put in a new one because the pads tend to get so filthy, a simple rinse doesn't have an effect. But I should vacume half the gravel one week and then the next a week later? Or do I just do a 50% percent water change? (Sorry im having a dumb episode right now)
What? Were you expecting something funny?


It is easy to make suggestions because I don't (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 01:35:22 PM PST

have to do the work. ;) But try gravel vacuuming just half the tank and continue the wonderful water changes.

I don't mean to gross you out, but could you pull the filter pads/cartages out sooner and rinse them? It sounds like they are doing an excellent job (also) as mechanical filters. It might be better to remove the "big pieces" of food or whatever, which get caught upon them. The action of the water and the microbes in the tank will begin to break those larger items down (first into  some ammonia). That adds to the nutrient soup in the tank which could encourage that cloudiness.

In a certain sense I hate to make suggestions, because you are doing such a magnificent job of doing all of those things. I'm sure you have wondered if "no good deed should go unpunished."

An old buddy of mine called up yesterday and we spent a lot of time talking about some problems in their son's new fish tank. He did a lot of things right, moving in the gravel from a smaller tank, etc. His big mistake was the old classic of buying far too many new (unquarantined) fish and blowing up the capacity of the tank to cycle ammonia.

As we went over what had happened, I was reminded of an observation by my biology teacher that all sorts of things within an animal's system and within their larger environment are based upon equilibriums. By adding so many new fish to any aquarium, we really upset the equilibrium established by the fish and the beneficial bacterial cultures.

It is sort of like when we are ill and are prescribed some really powerful antibiotic. It "gets" the bacterial illness that is afflicting us, but also kills off most of the useful bacteria in our digestive systems, which enable us to digest food. Then we may have to deal with a horribly upset stomach and the banshee-two-step.

And after Christmas, when I look at the balance on a couple of charge cards, I wish there had been a better equilibrium between payments and expenditures. :(

You have also prodded my conscience by good example, I'd better go change some water. :)

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Re: Ugh... (none / 0) (#1)
by ashleydaha 12 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:14:53 PM PST

Do you use salt? It might make a diffrence. (I had the same problem just as far as it sounds not as sevire.) Snails help sometimes too. :P



Salt is a good short term defense against nitrogen (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:24:53 PM PST

poisoning and maybe against external parasites. If it was enough salt to turn your tank brackish, I wonder if it would kill off some of the beneficial  bacteria.

When the filter is changed, are you using the filter pads as biological filters (home for beneficial bacteria) or as chemical filters (for a week or so the activated carbon removes ammonia)? Of course we may use them both ways and, if the edge of the bag/ insert is stopping "big pieces" it is even a mechanical filter.

I wonder if a brand new dose of activated carbon pulls so much ammonia that the beneficial bacteria starve. Then in a week, when the activated carbon is "used up", there is more ammonia in the tank. Probably that is not the issue here though.

You are just rinsing the filter cartridge and returning it gray to the tank? That gets rid of the "big pieces." That way, all of the beneficial bacteria in there isn't washed away. White filter media means that it is sort of sterile or without any beneficial bacteria. Then you are restarting a part of the cycling process.

What you are doing is great but rinse the filter, not blast it spotless one week. The next week or interval, gravel vacuum 1/2 of the tank. The third week, do the other half of the gravel.

The water changes, if the water is previously treated and sits open a while, are wonderful. (Water treated in the tank may already be wiping out beneficial bacteria.)

If we see the whole aquarium as one big bio-filter (or biological system), that way the majority of the beneficial bacteria in the gravel and filter are not taken away all at once. And if there is enough beneficial bacteria in the gravel and filter then maybe the cloud, a bacterial bloom, will not form in the water.

I know that cloudy water is unattractive and I too would work to prevent it. However if the rest of the tank has been so thoroughly cleaned, maybe you are lucky that so much is being done in the water. :)

By the way, there is no law that says that those three steps suggested - the filter one time, 1/2 of the gravel another and the other half of the gravel must be done at weekly intervals, though I would be grateful to clean the tank so thoroughly as frequently as you do. If you wanted to do those things every couple of days, so much the better. :)

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