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Eeek Dropsy!!

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By Syhrus, Section Diaries
Posted on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 07:39:27 PM PST
Yes, one of my good male guppies got dropsy :(



 I noticed he looked fatter than usual a few days ago, and thought nothing of it. But this morning, he had the "Pine cone scales" that are typical of dropsy.

 I'm pretty sure there is no cure for it, but just in case, I'll ask you guys if you know any.

 Also, I read that dropsy is caused by other diseases, but I can't find out which ones. I need to find out to prevent any other fish from getting dropsy.

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Eeek Dropsy!! | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: Eeek Dropsy!! (none / 0) (#3)
by guppylover427 on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 07:18:05 PM PST

I have a betta in my tank with dropsy, but I don't have the heart to put him down. I have yet to remove him, which I know isn't proper but he still is very active and he hasn't infected anyone. Hope your guppy does okay:)
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A pirate's life for me:)


Actyally he may have or may be doing (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 01:33:19 AM PST

that, but you don't know it yet. I would agree though that sometimes it may not make a huge amount of difference, because the microbes in the Betta are already in the tank. They are more numerous now for the infection of the Betta.

And, though it is distasteful to consider, what may happen when the Betta dies? One of the most effective ways of infecting other fish is to have them nibbling on the body of the deceased. So even if it is just to put him in a bowl, do remove him before too long. :)

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Actually I can't spell or type (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 01:43:09 AM PST

in the middle of the night. Sorry about that. ;)

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Re: Actually I can't spell or type (none / 0) (#7)
by guppylover427 on Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 01:52:32 PM PST

Awwww, great! Now I'm putting all my other fish at risk! Pooey!
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A pirate's life for me:)
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Sorry that happened. Sometimes dropsy (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 10:25:56 AM PST

accompanies aging. Often it is a mixture of bacterial and other infections brought about by organically rich (dirty) water. The water conditions cripple the fish's immune system and it can't keep out the bacterial bloom. Many of these bacteria, like many of the parasites, which can afflict our fish, are in the water "at a non-lethal level" much of the time. When we (or the pet shop if he is a recent purchase) fall behind in our tank maintenance, the fish get sick.

The critters working away cause the fish to be unable to control their body fluids. That liquid gathers in the cells (and under the skin?) causing the skin to rise/swell. That in turn causes the scales to stand up.

If you had isolated your male when it first looked "iffy", given it much cleaner water and treated with a broad spectrum antibiotic (treatment elsewhere so you don't trash the nitrogen cycle in your aquarium), there is a remote chance you could have reversed the process. :(

If I were you, I would do 40-45% partial water changes on that tank (assuming that you have saved and treated enough "seasoned" water of roughly the same temperature) a couple of times in the next week. I might also take out any really dark filter floss and rinse it until it is merely grayish. (If you rinse it until it is white, you washed all of the beneficial bacteria away with the dirt!)

A lot of time people and even I have left the afflicted fish in a covered bowl on top of the tank, so that that fish can continue in quarantine. Placing it upon the tank cover usually keeps the bowl at about the aquarium's temperature, if you use glass tops on tanks.)

If the male guppy is really suffering, I would go to Immediate Help and check out euthanasia. Personally, if I can find the clove oil, I might put him in water with the prescribed amount of that. Guppies otherwise pretty much go "to sleep" in the freezer.

Ah, the clove oil, purchased at a Walgreen drug store, is in such a tiny container, it gets lost on my remedy shelf. I did indeed find it - probably because I don't need it at the moment. ;)

Corydoras and other more hyper fish do not do well in cooling water. So don't try that with a terminally ill Cory.

For more on dropsy and the viewpoint of others, look up dropsy in Immediate Help.

One of the grand old men of the killifish hobby and someone I would like to think of as a mentor, George Maier, owner of a Mom and Pop shop on the north side of Chicago in the old German-American neighborhood along Belmont Street, Halsted and Irving Park Road, suggested that regular weekly, partial water changes, after quarantining new purchases, would eliminate 90-some per cent of all  fish diseases.

If the fish are well, there is no way to prove that. ;) But the fish in George's shop (even the feeders) and those he brought to club meetings from his fishroom, seemed always in great health.

Good luck! I think that you will be able to keep your other guppies from coming down with dropsy.



It seems we are still having server problems (none / 0) (#2)
by Syhrus on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 05:16:35 PM PST

 I can't seem to be able to find any stories on euthanasia in the Immediate Help category.
 I don't think he's going to get any better, so could you please tell me a nice easy way to put him 'to sleep'?
"You shall all taste oblivion, which tastes like Red Bull, which is disgusting." -O'Malley
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Look four down under "diseases." Or if (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 01:40:55 AM PST

that isn't working on your computer, try Google searching for the term. Remember to click on www.guppylog.com rather than Web. :)

Sometimes it is useful also checking via the Web. One must be discerning checking other sources (or answers on GL), but it can be very useful going beyond GL sometimes. If there are some clunkers out there, there also are some wonderful resources too.

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