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Major Disaster

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By darkrain636, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:38:12 PM PST
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The worst thing ( I think ) that could happen to my tank, has happened.



About 3 weeks ago I went camping. My Grandma was the one who was house sitting. Well she must of been bored because she decided she wanted to clean the windows! So what does she decide to do with the jug of cleaner??? She decides to rest it on the hood of my 125 gallon tank! Since the hood of the tank is so heavy for her to open ( which you have to lift to drop the food in) she decided she would just leave it open . Then she knocked the jug of cleaner right on in my tank. So I came home to every single thing in my 125 gallon tank dead. I have gotten it cleaned out, and everything. It's filled back up with water and water from my other smaller tank, and I currently have 3 fish in it. But I'm debating if I should even start it all over again. Yeah I enjoyed it. Especially after having so many problems the first few months of me keeping fish, and finally figuring out what I was doing wrong. I was so excited once I got this tank going. I guess this just has me depressed. And then with school starting up in a month, I know I shouldn't spend a bunch of money to get the tank going again. I'm not sure what I should do. I had so much money in fish invested. I thought I was finally getting somewhere with it. I had tons of babies ( Am I crazy for almost being attached to them? ) I guess unless I find some GREAT deal on guppies, I'm going to give it a break for awhile :-(    I guess I'm done ranting for now. Thanks for listening!
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Major Disaster | 7 comments (7 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Major Disaster (none / 0) (#4)
by guppylover427 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 01:31:56 PM PST

Oh my God! I can't believe that! It sounds like you worked so hard on it and then BAM! In went the cleaner! Oh, i'm so sorry that happened to you. That is probably one of the worst endings to a fish community ever. At least not everyone died right?:) But with only 3 left I guess it's hard to think think that. Oh, I honestly can't believe that. So sorry you had to go through that, and after all that I would probably be doubting starting over too. Hope you feel better soon:)
What? Were you expecting something funny?


Re: Major Disaster (none / 0) (#5)
by darkrain636 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 03:41:36 PM PST

Well actually the 3 in there were from a different tank. None at all lived. There was somewhere around 50 adult fish and about 70 babies at least.

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Man oh Man! What a worse case scenario! (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 09:40:01 AM PST

I'm sure your grandmother feels just terrible about it too.

You certainly are entitled to have a few rants after that! I suppose it is a part of the mourning process!

And you were doing soooo well! I was really tickled for you that you could get that tank and had learned so much about the aquarist's craft.

This points out the need, as we learn about the hobby, to also educate our family members about it. When my brother and I were kids, our Dad got us a big goldfish bowl. We mowed lawns for the fish. Then we discovered the cat's interest in the most expensive goldfish and Dad made a hardware cloth cover to fit around the rim of that bowl. He line the edge of the cover with a colorful duct tape. More recently as the raccoons were getting into the container fish & water container gardens in the back, I had to get a roll of plastic covered mesh and fit tops for those and the surviving plants. Who would have guess that those midnight bandits would develop an appetite for rushes and water hyacinth!

Likewise around the home, I encourage the family to not leave anything, which might go into a fish tank, on the floor. Insecticides, including pest strips, and herbicides should not be used in the room and probably not in the house. If we ever had to get the house fogged for termites or something like that, I probably would have to rent an apartment for a long and very laborious month and move quite a number of aquariums and lots of gear there!

If painting must be done, cover the tanks. Maybe stop the power filters. Stuff like furniture stripping should be done outside for your sake, never mind the fish! ;)

The biggest need for education is that of fish-sitters while one is on vacation. For a week, either don't have the fish fed or leave the right amount of food in little sealed plastic containers  - such as the little plastic cups offered in some fast food places. And don't bother with those chalky vacation food-feeders!

Do leave the furnace on in the winter or the AC in summer. The furnace can be a little low and the AC a little high.

If you Google search Guppylog for vacation you will find quite a few tales of woe shared on that theme. Leave sitters with the instructions and a cell phone number. In most cases, "If I didn't ask you to do something, pleased don't so it."

A nearby discus buddy left on and trip and a friend of his was watching the fish. The sitter was quite experienced, but messed up on something and then did some panicked water changes with unseasoned/treated water. Several 100 to a couple 1,000 dollars of dead discus later, he realized he should have called a couple of other aquarists for reinforcements. And almost more sadly, that friendship didn't do too well afterwards.

We once were gone for three weeks on a research/vacation trip and separated fish, mostly males and females, which would harass each other. We lost a couple of very old ones, but returned home to far more fish than we left.

Unfortunate our nosy, well-meaning and dim-witted landlady decided to feed my poor starving fish just before we returned. After driving back to Chicagoland from western New York, I got to spend my first couple of hours muttering under my breath and siphoning the flake food carpet off of 40 fish tanks!

We moved as soon as we could.

You mentioned maybe getting some fish after getting school sorted out. A lot of neat things come to aquarists who wait. :)

The IFGA season is almost over, but there is still one big show - probably their national convention. They also have local chapters meeting in various cities, See if there is one near you and if you could visit a gathering. If held in a home, you might get to tour their fishroom!

http://www.ifga.org/Show%20Rules/showrules.htm

The fall will also see a lot of local general aquarium societies holding auctions or shows and auctions. There is a section called local resources in Immediate Help. One of those has a bunch of sites listing local clubs. Many of those links still work.

Your could also Google your area and Guppy club, aquarium club, aquarium society and see what happens. If you urban area doesn't work, try state, region, province or even country.

We want to buy guppies, which are relatively young. They travel better. They adjust to quarantine, a preventative treatment for parasites and their new home more easily.

One difficulty in buying "young" guppies in an auction is that we (certainly I) don't know if they are indeed a couple of months old or just stunted. The first thing I will do is find the seller's name on the bag and ask around until I can find him or her and simply ask how old the fish are. If we don't nab them while they are in a heavy conversation or bidding on a particular fish, most people are pretty willing to give you the lowdown and offer some tips on how they were raised.

Another angle is to look at the show fish. Many times they will not be for sale. (The labels should provide that info too.) Then look in the auction for the same fish with the same seller number or name.

Even better might be to attend a local club and make the acquaintance of a guppy breeder. In time you will be comfortable in asking if you could see their set-up. You will learn tons, both good and not so good. ;)

Assuming I'm here, my door is usually open to visitors, though it can be a bit disillusioning. (The fishroom is in transition, as usual.) If the phone call is enough ahead of time, I'll put on coffee, heat the water for tea or make sure we have enough ice for pop and drinking water in the refrig. And no, despite teasing to the contrary, I have never handed a visitor a bucket and siphon. ;)

This hot weather makes it a little hard. I have a care package (Daphnia, killies, killie eggs possibly) for a guy in New York. I've been told to expect some guppies for Alaska. But none of us are shipping in this heat wave.

A lady from the North side of Chicago stopped by the other day for some Daphnia - which really need coolness more that guppies. She had an air conditioned car and a picnic cooler. I still insisted in packing a freezer pack in there (thanks to methemom!)

Some friends dropped by for some green water and we just packed six gallons in the carboys and sent them on their way. Their admonition of course was, get that into the light. The female red-velvet swordtail was secure in a styro for the short trip.

Well, I digress. But the point is most aquarists are reasonably sociable and helpful. My house rule is, "Ask for it. I'll say yes or no or I'll try and spawn those for you. If I say no, please understand."



Re: Major Disaster (none / 0) (#1)
by The Q man on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 08:41:20 AM PST

Well, first off you are not crazy for being attached to your baby fish. Secondly, I feel for ya. If I where you I would set the tank back up and just buy what guppies you can and let them breed and fill up the tank themselves. A few trios would be a start. Where do you get your guppies from? A pet store. I don't know about you, but here a guppy is only like $2. Wow, a 125 gallons tank. How much did the tank cost you? Anyway, best of luck!!!



Re: Major Disaster (none / 0) (#3)
by darkrain636 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 10:36:30 AM PST

The tank was actually a present for my 21st Birthday. And for the fish, yeah I can get some for only $2.00 . But the thing was I had a lot invested into it. Sure I could go to a PetCo or PetSmart, and get a fish for that price, but they normally aren't healthy. The only good Pet Store around here are about $4-6 for 1. Which doesn't sound like much, but seeing as I have to spend thousands of dollars in a month to go back to school, restocking my tank would add up fast.

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Re: Major Disaster (none / 0) (#6)
by The Q man on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:37:22 AM PST

Wow, 4-6 dollars each. The funny thing is that if you look at sites where petstores order from they get them for about .20 each. Not even a quarter per guppy. $4-6 is quite a mark up, but it's worth it for healthy guppies. Anyway, I feel sorry for you.
 GOOD LUCK!!! :)

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It has been my experience that retail prices (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 11:35:24 AM PST

are the wholesale price X 3 to 5. This is in an effort to cover losses, rent, utilities, advertising, insurance, salaries, any benefits for staff, taxes and so on. Seldom do pet shops make money on the live fish. The fish do bring people in the doors though. If the customers then buy enough supplies and dry goods, the shop breaks even.

    So your 20 cents per guppy for a pair (40 cents now) times five would give you a $2.00 pair of guppies. How fancy and color consistent is that pair? Do they breed true? Is the male's delta or veil tail close to an inch long?

    We don't always get what we pay for. In commercial transactions though, it has been my modest experience that if we don't pay for it, we don't get much quality.

    There are guppies and there are guppies. 40 years ago one could pay 4 to 6 dollars for a pretty nice pair of guppies. (The minimum wage was a dollar, stamps were 7 cents, the income of the "average" family was $8,000/ year, you could buy a pretty nice car for $3,000 etc.) The guppies in shops were mostly raised by American breeders. (I sold some of my blue delta pairs for $1-2 cash in the late '60s to a shop in Glendale Hts, IL.)

    The quality and variety of fancy guppies today can be much greater than 40 years ago, but those fish you are alluding to were probably raised in Southeast Asia. A big part of their wholesale price was the shipping half way around the world. Some of them are indeed breathtakingly beautiful.

    But we have to contend with fish which have sometimes been shipped in water with an amazingly high salt content (instead of the minerals guppies really need) and are at risk of being terminally shocked. Then we are at the mercy of wholesalers and retailers who are pressed for space and who may mix the strains. Then we are stuck with a bunch of mutts. They may be beautiful mutts, but mutts they are.

If all we want are some pretty community tank fish, then we are fine. At the risk of sounding kind of snobbish, if we want to breed a really outstanding strain of fancy guppy, we are working with tough odds against us.

Our dog is a mutt. We have no plans to propagate schnoodles. It rescued a dog in need of adoption, brought great joy into our daughter's life and provided the rest of us with a pretty good house dog and companion.

However I would kill, or at least trample through a crowd, to get to a genuine show quality guppy pair, which breed true, for a mere $4-6 today. :)

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