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So much for making the perfect guppy...

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By Wolfluv1, Section Diaries
Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:22:55 PM PST
I think my fish are homosexuals...



Okay, so ive got 2 males and 1 female because the other died. But they both ignore the female, and they ignored the dead one when she was alive.They didnt even chase them!The closest the males get to the girl is feeding time!But the males always swim together, either side by side or one above the other.Wuts up with that?! The whole reason I started on guppies was to make the perfect 1!!!
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So much for making the perfect guppy... | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: So much for making the perfect guppy... (none / 0) (#7)
by The Q man on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 09:17:49 AM PST

I wouldn't worry. I had the same problem with my mollies at first, but then all of a sudden my male started showing interest in her and then mating with her not long after. Remember to keep your guppies at a 1 male:2-3 female ratio. Obviously you can have more females than that per male, but that is the minimum.



Male livebearers will pursue other males, (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:26:01 PM PST

females of other livebearer species and I have seen them pursue  some very surprised egglayers of both genders. That is a measure of how strongly they are "programed" to procreate.

Pursuit and even gonopodial thrusting doesn't mean that they are successful.

Two sets of thoughts come to mind. One is that other Guppylog correspondents have complained about their male guppies ignoring females. I think that in all cases other than when there were sick fish involved, when the female guppies dropped fry, the males were suddenly strongly motivated to court the female or females. Males are little threat to fry because of their preoccupation with the females.

Whether they "comprehend" that pregnant females guppies can only be further impregnated by a male in the 24 hours after giving birth, I don't know. But female guppies also release a pheromone to alert the males as to their state. The females also are more responsive to males who are courting them. In the wild female guppies will chose three males (usually) to mate with.

In the wild that release of a chemical stimulus (the pheromone) may be useful with the guppies spread around a pool or up and down a stream. It happens in aquaria, but the males are pretty enthusiastic, make that downright pesky, about coupling anyway.

A second set of thoughts revolve around the field and laboratory observations that wild guppy females seem to have several ways to guess that a male is ill or has parasites (often gill flukes) and they stay clear of that fish. Probably this is not what is happening, but just for the sake of discussion, what did the other female die of? Is there a remote chance that the other female is afflicted with that guppy malady?

This probably isn't an issue to worry about until after your female has been with you for 30 + days. By then, if her water is 75 F or more, she should have given birth to fry. If you have been trying to make 35-45% weekly partial water changes and the female still hasn't dropped by perhaps 40 days, then there should be a real concern over her health.

There is a discussion in Immediate Help which suggests two sets of 20 questions, which an aquarist could ask themselves about their tank and fish. As time permits, see how many of them you could answer and ask whether the answers suggest that everything is perfect with the guppies or if there is something of concern.

http://www.guppylog.com/story/2005/6/24/82111/0134

And if a male was to try and mate with her now, it would be ineffective. Perhaps they somehow know that, are biding their time, and pursuing other fish in the meantime.

All the best!



Re: Just putting in my two sense. (none / 0) (#6)
by The Q man on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 09:13:41 AM PST

Well, about the whole males learning to impregnate females within 24 hours after birth thing. I don't think they really know that that would be the best time to impregnate her. I just think that the pheromone that the females give off just gets their hormones going and they just can't resist.

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Re: Male livebearers will pursue other males, (none / 0) (#2)
by Wolfluv1 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 09:33:50 AM PST

Thanks, unclescott. About the other female...she was really slow. You know how guppys have that yellowish color around their pupils? She had a dark gray color instead.Otherwise, nothing looked odd. I thought maybe she was just old or something when I bought her...Do you think you know what was wrong with her? The other female is fine, she's very lively.

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It is hard to do any diagnosis "over the (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 07:15:35 PM PST

phone" or on-line. Just dark or off-color eyes is tough. But if something is unusual about a guppy, if it is sluggish, often you don't want to buy it.

Naturally there is a discussion about which fish one would and should not buy at a pet shop. Please look under the section Disease Prevention.

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Re: It is hard to do any diagnosis "over the (none / 0) (#4)
by Wolfluv1 on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 10:02:22 AM PST

See, thats the thing. She was just fine at the pet store. She was just as lively as the other female until I brought her home and introduced them to the males. And then =( she *sniff* died.

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The "fault" may be with the shop. (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:25:49 PM PST

Then again, it may not rest with the shop. And sometimes both the shop and the aquarist could have done more to ease the transition for the fish.

I think it was an old classmate of mine, Bill Shakespeare, who wrote,
"The fault, dear Brutus,
is not in our stars,
But in ourselves..."

...essentially because we are very, very, human.

How we go about acclimating new fish (usually gradually and NEVER, NEVER adding any disease and ammonia laden drops from the fish water in the bag into the aquarium. (Well, ok, a few drops on the fish may get into the tank, but why inoculate the tank with a whole lot of ammonia and many disease organisms which may be floating around at the shop?)

You probably have already read
Getting Acquainted: Acclimating New Fish to a New Aquarium
which is found in
New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing
in Immediate Help.

If not, it really should be required reading. There are better versions of that in some of the books, so it isn't my writing but the info. which you need to encounter.

Unfortunately, most of us discover that info (me too) after having introduced fish one of the wrong ways. I shudder to think of the microbes and chemicals I inflicted upon an aquarium and my favorite fish before I knew better.

Also, we don't know what your ammonia and later your nitrite readings were in that tank. Do we know what size tank that is? Four adult guppies is just about pushing past the envelop for a new 10-gallon tank, even with appropriate water conditioners. The female, as the least dominant of the quartet, could have died of ammonia poisoning.

It seems unfair to ask new aquarists to get test kits for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. But without them, they are almost defenseless against that type of mystery death, which is where we (all too often) poison our own fish out of ignorance, :(

I am sure that have I added too many new fish to an aquarium. And I probably added some sooner than I should have. While there are some "tricks of the trade" which may make that less devastating for the new fish, when we are doing those things, we probably don't know the tricks either.

Could either the rapid introduction of your fish or the vigors of cycling a tank have hurt the late female?

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