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Coral for raising pH

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By Nika, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:39:32 PM PST
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So I lost another fish, and finally have some money (not really) and got some coral.



My ten gallon aquarium is the one that is having the trouble, and with lots of water changes I have gotten the pH up to 6.8.  How much coral should I add to the tank to raise the pH to neutral or maybe even 7.2?  Will the pH continue to go up as long as the coral is in there, or will it level off eventually?  Thanks for your help!  Nika
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Coral for raising pH | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
That is a good question. Seawater can vary between (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 02:34:29 AM PST

a pH of 7.5 to 8.5. While coral could dissolve to take your water possibly even higher, your water changes "should" keep it from doing that. 7.5 is fine for guppies. 8.5 isn't too bad for guppies, but not all in a sudden change.

If you like what the coral is doing keep it around. If you don't have much gravel Nika, use the coral in that. One can also pack a box filter or even a section of a power or cannister filter with coral rubble.

Because of the ability of coral to cut, don't keep Corys with it. That may be a reason not to keep clumsy guppies with it. :0

It may be better contained within a nylon or synthetic mesh bag. Quantity and contact with the fishes can roughly be controlled that way.

For a quick fix if the pH is still below 7, dump in a level quarter teaspoon of baking soda in a ten-gallon tank. I use so much of it as a cleaning agent, and to neutralize the vinegar which I used to neutralize the bleach on my hands while cleaning tanks that we buy a big 12-pound bag of the stuff from Sam's Club for less than a dollar a pound. For everyday use we still put it into one of those little old boxes. There is an appropriately sized scoop in the big bag which my "baking soda fairy" graciously uses to refill the box.

It also is useful for scrubbing down before working with tanks. Not the bactericide that any soap is, but who cares if trace quantities of baking soda gets in the guppy water? :)

If you are struggling so much with your tap water, maybe you ought to try adding a tiny measurable amount of baking soda per gallon when you draw water to sit for a couple of days. Put it in the container first when you put water conditioner in and run the water. That sounds a little crazy but that may be what you have to do add the least expensive buffer.

I also use a couple of teaspoons of baking soda while soaking out the coffee pot and the brewing basket. I'm fond of my coffee but don't need it terrifically acid from the residue on the equipment.

We used to just run a pot of water and a dollop of bleach (a much more serious base) through the office perk at work every now and then (mostly then). It ceased to taste like it had been brewed in someone's boot. ;)

With all of our uses for baking soda it still takes a few years to go through a 12 Lb bag. ;)

Your experience with tap water is very different from mine. With our liquid rock from the municipal wells (up to 400 ppm hardness, not counting the other stuff), I'm cutting that tap water with 50% RO water even for guppies and other livebearers!

Please continue to let us know what is happening with your water. By the way, (guessing that you live in the US) give your water department a call someday and ask if you may have a copy of whatever  report they give the EPA. They are supposed to submit periodical reports and should have copies for local citizens. It might be useful to know what is in there.

I need to do that again for Park Forest, Illinois too. Thank you for the reminder. :)

When I finally found the report on the field studies for that Suriname study mentioned a few days ago at http://portal.conservation.org/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_122818_111125_0_0_18/43_RAP_Bulleti n.pdf
I was astonished at the relatively "high" pH reading for that region, where pH readings may go as low as 5.5 to even 3.1 !

In that undisturbed area mostly under the rainforest canopy, I expected the water with very low mineral content (as indicated by the conductivity readings) and relatively cool temperatures for being near the equator at those altitudes. What I hadn't expected were the pH readings of right around 7! I guess that happens in some places undisturbed by mining and "development."

So how can readings stay at so "high" a pH in such pure water? 1. The relatively lush algae and other plants sucked up the the ammonia given off by the fish and 2 "mother nature" does a lot of water changes. ;)

You and I can't "rain" water on all our tanks a couple times a day though.



Re: That is a good question. Seawater can vary bet (none / 0) (#2)
by Nika on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 08:02:50 AM PST

So how much should I add to my tank?  Am I looking at just a few tablespoons, or a cup or two?

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Seriously, I would start with only a teaspoon (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 08:53:13 AM PST

for a 10-gallon tank at first. You seem to be very faithful in monitoring the pH. I would guess that the chances are that you will eventually use a couple teaspoons by the time your tank is walked up to 7.5 or 7.6. But that will allow you to scale how much per gallon you would put into your changing water.

If you use liters, figure 3.7 per gallon. I had to look it up but  
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1 tablespoon = 15 ml
(Heck, I wasn't sure of 1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons.)

The only time I have used baking soda (or if that isn't available, plaster of Paris) as a quick fix was when a grow out tank of young adults was getting very skittish. They can eventually "go crazy" and even kill themselves running into decorations and tank sides. That "crazy man's disease" probably better called "crazy fish disease" is sometimes a sign that the pH is either really rising (alkalosis) or dropping (acidosis). In a grow out tank of eager feeders and busy poopers, biological processes (the nitrogen cycle) will bring the pH down.

I luckily was checking the fish before running off to school. I tossed a teaspoon of plaster of Paris in that 1-gallon tank and went about my teaching duties. Much later in the day I found, to my great relief, that everyone in the tank was still doing ok. But I didn't trust that aquarium's system anymore and did a complete tear down and restart. Obviously feeding was more modest for a few days. :)

I hope that all you will have to do is add a little baking soda. adding cichlid salts may be another trick of the trade - see below.

Here is another discussion of deadly pH. I notice that PeterW jumped in on the discussion. From the San Francisco area, he has to contend with water containing very little mineral too. He was eventually raising great guppies. I'd have used his water to breed rare rainforest killies. ;)

http://www.guppylog.com/story/2005/6/8/85929/50609

Peter is one of those people who has moved very rapidly from questioner to researcher to experimenter to resource person on GL. (Of course experienced and active aquarists continue to be all four of those things.) You might Google search Guppylog for PeterW.

Good luck and all the best!

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I don't know why I didn't really think adding a (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 10:16:35 AM PST

tabkespoon/ 10-gallon tank of Rift Lake Cichlid Salts. (Just another brain cramp.) It came to mind when responding to swordtails by snowshark this morning. There are also a number of recipes for "home made" cichlid salts. They both buffer and add necessary mineral.

Also I reflexively sometimes wonder why we add sodium chloride to livebearer water (what a Grinch!), there is an advantage in adding a little of a sea salt mix, as is done by Scott Lockwood. That has important trace elements and is buffered towards higher pHs.

To a degree, much cheaper feed salts found at agriculture supply stores will do that too. Those salts are just sun dried sea salt.

Both commercial cichlid salts and marine salts can be expensive. Once you have experimented and found what you need to add to a tank, you can cut your overall cost per unit by whipping together a bucket of DIY cichlid salt or by buying in quantity. Until a friend taught me about feed salt, a couple of my shops provided 10-pound bags of sea salt. Often it wasn't generic, it was simply taken from a really large bag of the stuff and rebagged for hobbyists. Often it is cheaper per pound that way.

Just a little more grist for the mill. :)

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