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Is it possible that she isn't cannibalistic?

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By FishFreak, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:33:49 PM PST
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Over the weekend, two out of my three fancy guppies had babies.  Now, the last mother looks like she might pop, so I put her in the breeder trap and there was a slight accident without horrific results.  



I'm 13 years old, and I've never had livebearer fish before, so I've never had my fish have fry.  That means that guppies are all new to me, and my parent offer me little help.  So, that means that I ask you GuppyLog members to offer me a pillow to fall back on in case I happen to fall.  At the moment, I seem to be leaning slightly to the left, so I ask for you to ready your pillow and help me with my problem.

Saturday afternoon, we go to PetSmart looking for plants for the two-gallon tank we bought as a birthing tank.  We filled up out cart with plants, a heater, and a lid for the tank, because it did not come with one.  As my mother and father argued over what the heck the colors scheme was going to be, I dawdled over to the fish tanks.  I peered into one, and I fell in love.  There was a beautiful female fancy guppy, pregnant, but not to the point of dropping.  I coaxed my parents into letting me get her, and I sat her in the 5 gallon as soon as we got home.  I knew not to just dump her in there, so I let the bag sit on top of the water for a while, when I noticed a little fry swimming in the bag-right into the mother's mouth!  I panicked, and dumped her immediately into the birthing tank.  Saturday morning, it appeared that she was done birthing, and I put her into the 5 gallon.  Only 8 fry had survived her eating spree.  

We had not expected to wind up with two females birthing at the same time.  As I put the new female (Female A) in to the main tank, I seen the pregnant female (Female B) give birth to a baby and swim around and eat it.  I wasn't thinking, to I dumped her into the tank with Female A's fry.  Even thought there were tons of hiding places, all together, only 19 fry survived out of the two batches.  Both my mom and dad were shocked, and went out to buy a breeding trap, in hopes of saving more of the fry next time.  

This afternoon, after school, I took a look at the last female (Female C) and seen how big she was and how dark her gravid spot seemed.  I Put the breeding trap in the breeding tank, and put Female C into the trap.  I didn't know she would find a way to get OUT!  I turned my back, and when I turned around again, she was out of the trap and into the tank with the fry!  I was like, AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  I didn't know where the net was, so I just SAT there and watched her.  A fry swam past her.  Nothing happened.  Another one nipped at her tail.  Again, no actions to try and each the babies.  I quickly found how she got out of the trap and fixed the problem, before putting back into the trap.  I counted the fry.  1...2...3...Wait, I counted that one already...19...Hey, she can't eaten any fry!

She has not dropped yet, but this only just happened.  Now, I ask you, is it possible that she ISN'T cannibalistic?  Or, is there some other reason she didn't eat the fry there were right there?

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Is it possible that she isn't cannibalistic? | 2 comments (2 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Is it possible that she isn't cannibalistic? (none / 0) (#1)
by The Q man on Mon May 07, 2007 at 03:07:20 PM PST

 Guppies will only usually only eat thier and other fry if they are not being fed well. Being new you need to read through the immediate help for newbies section. It's at the top right hand corner. Can't miss it. ;) Sounds like you know what your doing for the most part though. Your doing better than me when I started out. Oh, also be expecting a chat from unclescott about when and when not to post a log. Not to worry he is not mean about it. This might be log materal, but I'm not sure. If your just posting a few guestions or a short story (well pretty much anything under 1,000 words) are usually good diary materal. Also with diaries your guestions will get answered alot faster. Congrats on the fry and Good Luck!!! :)



Welcome to Guppylog FishFreak! (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Tue May 08, 2007 at 04:47:29 PM PST

Congratulations on the guppy fry!

I think your are correct, that a lot of female guppies are not cannibals. As Q-man suggests, if they are well fed, the odds of cannibalism are a lot less.

That was quick thinking of you in opening that bag. That wouldn't be standard procedure for acclimating (adjusting) new guppies, but exceptional times demand exceptional measures.

There is even the question as to whether cannibalism can be learned. Many guppies and other livebearers (but not all of them), which are well fed, will accept the fry as just a part of their world. If the water quality is high (meaning partial 25-45% weekly water changes with treated, aquarium warm, maybe seasoned water), if there are several hiding places for fry and if the guppies do not get too crowded, that will continue.

Sometimes a guppy female will be quite a cannibal. Some of the better guppy breeders will give a female a chance and if she continues to eat fry, she will be plunked into a community tank and her fry will not be saved or selected for future breeders.

That sounds pretty cold, but guppies are usually very generous with fry and so a person can only save so many fry. Why save fry from a line which tends towards cannibalism?

If your three females continue to drop fry every month (they are already good for five more months) and all their fry grew up and had babies, you would be approaching 1,000 guppies by Christmas. (Ho-ho-ho!) Bet they didn't mention that at the shop. ;)

Q-man has done a good job of explaining the advantages of a diary. Your new diary immediately goes to the top of the list of diaries and also is at the top of the "everything" page.

You do want to check out the Immediate Help stuff, as time permits. When you get around to reading the second section on New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing you will realize that although you did a lot better than most new aquarium owners, you got away with a couple of things which many people are not so fortunate with.

Your enthusiasm and your careful observation of the birthing mother certainly are to be applauded. I smiled when you mentioned your interest in that female guppy. I remember being smitten by a female dwarf gourami when I was your age. She was carried home under my coat while my brother and I bounced home in the back seat of our folks' car on a very cold winter day. She survived the trip and did take enough extra guppy fry, in a pretty well planted 10-gallon tank with a thicket of hornwort, that the tank was only seriously overcrowded.

By the way your parents may have not offered you a lot of help in terms of knowing what was happening with the fry ("they" just don't put that much about guppies on the backs of cereal boxes or in the papers), but it sounds like they have been terrifically supportive of your efforts to get equipment and tanks. If you don't have them yet but have a birthday coming up, mention how great it would be if you could get test kits for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. Then you not only will be getting into biology and life sciences, but also chemistry. Those kits will make sense as you learn about the Nitrogen Cycle.

If you keep up interest even in female fish, you not only deserve the moniker FishFreak, but are in serious danger of becoming a Fish Head.

All the best!

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