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Last fish shipping of the year?

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By unclescott
from the mail department, Section Diaries
Posted on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 07:47:08 PM PST
After a wet, cloudy morning, today was just wonderful for this time of the year, The fish room door, allowing easy access for buckets of water, fish tanks and insects, was open, intermittently, until about 8:30 this evening.



It occurred to me that while much of the US is experiencing warm days and merely cool nights (affording wonderful sleeping), that this might be a good time if one were  going to order guppies, plants or other aquarium livestock. The Southeast is a little warm and the NW is a bit cool. But well packed fish should have much better odds of a safe arrival this or next week than during the heat of summer or a couple of months from now in the cold.

It started as an answer to a question about shipping plants and morphed into some suggestions for shipping fish. Please see
http://www.guppylog.com/story/2005/7/28/6312/34576

Last Wednesday I shipped a couple female killies from the southern 'burgs of Chicago to the 'burgs of Boston. They would have been mailed sooner, but it was very hot here, especially for late September. They arrived in great shape Friday.

That gentleman very graciously offered to include some rare killie eggs in the return of the box. I really, really want that fish, but need what space  there is for breeders and anticipated young from them. Sigh!

E-mail went out to Arizona with a request this afternoon. (A widow needs a mate.) Another will go tomorrow to the Detroit area. Hopefully these guys will be able to help. Checks will get mailed immediately. Any shipping will be done early next week.

If you have plans and wish to share them, please do so. If you win a bid on Aquabid or strike a deal with one of the well-known guppy breeders, feel free to share. If that discussion alluded to above raises any questions, fire away! :)

Please answer the Poll. Multiple answers are fine. You may find yourself thinking about shipping fish for the first time in your life. ;)

Rats, the way the pole is set up now, one can only make one response. All the best!
unc

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Last fish shipping of the year? | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: Last fish shipping of the year? (none / 0) (#4)
by guppylover427 on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 05:53:33 PM PST

I've been really wanting to try puechasing guppies online, or maybe selling some of mine on the internet, but sadly my mom thinks it's too much trouble:( I have too many babies, and I would like to make some profit out of my hard work! Though I know I can sell them to pet shops, my guess is that they'll either refuse or offer me like, 50 cents (Only because I'm young, they probably think I'll just spend on candy or something..) I just think if I have some beautiful, healthy guppies, I'll get my share if I sell them to someone who's willing to pay what they're worth (That's what I think anyways) But, noooooo... We can't ship or recieve guppies or fish, because my parents think it would be too much trouble. I think it would be worth it. I understand if they don't want me shipping them, but I can't even recieve guppies (that leaves me with the sick ones at the pet store) I just wanna try:)
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A pirate's life for me:)


Re: Last fish shipping of the year? (none / 0) (#1)
by New Guppy Momma on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 05:31:40 AM PST

Hey Unc once again I get the "can't find that story" note when I tried to go to the story.
I would love to order fish or sell some but I don't have room yet or money to buy more.
Just bought a blue tailed female (my daughter named her Blueberry Muffin:) so don't have fry yet. She was in a tank with some gorgeous males too ;) I figure by her size and the size of her gravid spot that it's about 2 weeks or so before her first drop.

Gotta go feed my Munchkin. She's digging in the fridge again.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)



Glad to hear about Blueberry Muffin. And that (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:32:05 AM PST

your daughter is not about to starve to death, even though she thinks she is. ;)

That starting with a gravid female from a great line is a good strategy. Though guppies are flexible, one never knows about new arrivals. The fry will be much more used to you water and tank conditions. And that way the hobby grows more slowly (maybe too slowly) and can be absorbed into the household's routine. :)

Three weeks ago I picked up a trio of a wonderful red strain of guppy. The two females were put in their own quarantine container and the male got his own. Almost from the start, his tail was a little clamped. Despite whatever I did he slid into oblivion. The stuff he was in has already been bleached or boiled - depending on what works best.

The girls look great. They will drop a few fry within a month. Maybe working with perhaps a dozen  fry is better than with a whole bunch. 5-6 males or females could go into a 5.5-gallon tank (for a time anyway) if the water changes were rigorous.

The room runs a little cool for guppies in the winter. The room heater will be tweaked up a bit. The gups will have to be placed on the warm side of the place. The fry will not really reveal themselves until into next year.

Sometimes raising fish involves patience. It still doesn't always pay off. One of those times when a hobby touches base with the real world. But "nothing ventured, nothing gained."

When I can't get what I want with Guppylog in terms of the search functions after pounding upon the reset button, I may just reboot the computer. It gets a little balky after 12 hours without a break. If that doesn't work, I check e-mail while running most of the routine maintenance functions through System Mechanic 6 (they have SM7 now.) It seems to do all of the stuff that Norton's System Work does, but at the click of one button. Then I  start a couple of anti-spyware scans, finish the e-mail, etc and reboot. (One must eat a meal once in a while anyway.)

That seems like a lot to get on a site. But most of that, in this day and age, needs to be done anyway and some pretty good stuff can be done automatically.

I am astonished at the spyware (almost always just trackers) which gets attached to one's computer just in going to pretty innocuous places. And that is with all of Spybot Search and Destroy's inoculations! That junk really can slow down a machine.

I'm sure there are a number of readers who can offer up much more in terms of making one's computer safer and faster.

Go Blueberry Muffin!  And, uh, Go Cubs!

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slime/algae and stupid computers (none / 0) (#3)
by New Guppy Momma on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 12:46:48 PM PST

Yeah I ran spy-bot and adaware (both staples on my machine) as well as trend micro's housecall and windows live one care. Came up with nothing really bad. Just the normal tracking cookies.
I re-boot a couple times a day. I also defragmented and compressed the old files today. My soon to be brother in law is a certified computer geek.

Anyway at over $3 a fish and only one 10 gallon tank able to be set up (TORTURE:)I could only afford one fish.
But I just noticed today that some of my plants (plastic) have BLUE GREEN SLIME. Cyanobacteria? and how do you get rid of it? I'm tempted to bleach my plants. I did my siphon yesterday and then soaked it in dechlorinator water for 3 hours.
Oh and I have brown algae too. Am I needing to do more water changes? I'm doing 25% every 5 days. Only one fish in a 10 gallon tank that had 4 fish in it for 2 months, I'm guessing it was mostly cycled. Still no test strips, I use the sniff test, if it smells like anything other than a nice healthy tank I change it :)Altho I suppose that nitrAtes have no smell. HMMMM
Oh and snails are not the answer. I don't want snails in my tank. Maybe I need to get some live plants. Not from my Mom. She's over run with snails and had to by a loach to take care of them. But some house plant clippings dangling their roots in the water wouldn't hurt and would probably soak up some nitrAtes and other junk.

Well my big girl just got home from school so I get to go be a "slave driver" now.

Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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It sounds like you are more concientious in (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 06:54:24 AM PST

caring for your computer than I am in caring for mine.

This may be the blind giving the sighted advice, but when was the last time you back up everything (to a storage something outside of the computer) and reformated your hard drive? Basically that is removing (in my case Windows XP) and reloading it, then reloading all of the other software on that drive, since they got removed with it.

Our local computer club recommends doing that annually. Even though XP seems far superior to previous Windows operating systems, software still corrupts and needs to be reloaded from time to time. (And then one spends an afternoon reloading the updates.)

A guy who has bailed me out a few times (he says he loves to look at my computer and investigate messes he has never seen before) suggested that since I have two internal hard drives, I should put all of my software on the C drive and everything else I wish to save on the D drive. We agreed that the D drive should still be periodically backed up to an external hard drive.

That way if the C drive goes cablooey, hopefully everything in D is still there. If the C and D go away, the photos, articles and comments saved to D are still extant and can be copied back.

Sorry about only having the 10-gallon set up. After your wonderful 75, I can imagine the withdrawal symptoms! Cyanobacteria blooms when there are too many nutrients in the tank. IF and that is a big if, we can lower the nutrient level in the aquarium, the higher plants and biological processes "should" be able to out compete the Cyanobacteria. I will admit "Nutrient Removal," frequently mentioned by David Boruchowitz, about says it all.

I'm going through much the same thing that you are, but on a greater scale. The living room 55, which was torn down after a decade or two and re-set and sort of planted, has become a mess. The natives in it are doing surprisingly well. But the low light plants can keep up with the nutrients and there is too much Cyanobacteria in there.

Ironically the green slime may be absorbing all of the extra nutrient stuff in the water and the fish have been doing well. Two weeks ago a buddy offered to take some of my killies and enter them on my behalf in a show in the Detroit area. It took most of a Saturday evening to catch a single pair of Fundulus notatus from that tank. By then it was half disassembled and a process if removing the plants, rinsing and piling them in a 10-gallon on the floor had begun.

Several partial water changes and the disassembly, cleaning and re-setting of the internal power filter have taken place. As time permits the plants have individually been scrubbed down by hand under the laundry sink tap. Because of other responsibilities, the tank was left as in, but going on a wait and see mode.

Before I could even get the rest of the plants in, that green slime started again on the gravel! It has once again been gravel vacuumed and more, unexpected dirt was removed. The plants are being returned. About 60% of the tank's surface has been covered with Salvinia natans. (I have extra gallons of the stuff from outside.) The lights are on more and the hope is that their hungry roots will soak up the nutrient removal process will clean up the water and tank even further.

Some water treatment facilities are experimenting with scrubbing the water with water hyacinths. That must be outdoors or under incredible lighting. IF those plants are doing their jub, they will multiply so fast, that many will have to be composted.

That is exactly what the Salvinia have done for the container "gardens" outside. Even the depredations of the raccoons, when they can get through the screening, can't keep up with them.

It is hard to throw extra plants out. (Why is it that with most garden items, we either have too many or two few?) But at a certain point, tossing them so that the surface is somewhat clear for oxygen exchange and so the other higher plants can get some light, is good.

Ah! Cyanobacteria doesn't do as well when there is agitation and current to the water. I'm trying to fit a powerhead to a modest sponge filter. That would go on the opposite side and end of the 55.

Interesting point about nitrates having no smell. But the products growing from them - Cyanobacteria or cloudy water or worse - may.

Could a little hornwort be of service? Although in extreme cases Cyanobacteria can grow on it, the green slime usually washes right off. Hornwort grows pretty fast (and dies in the bag if we don't get it out quickly). Hornwort is one of those plants that produces allelopathic chemicals which are mildly poisonous to other plants (such as some algae) and keep them at bay.

Good luck and all the best!

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Hey guppylover427! There are legal restrictions (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 11:24:31 AM PST

and a lack of protection for minors in the business world. I'm sure there were projects - like digging up a portion of the back yard and bringing in a cement truck to pour a fishpond - which my folks couldn't comfortably go along with too. Little details like, "Will your paper route money pay for that?" and "Who will really care for that pond?" They were on to us after all those promises we made about doing everything for the dog. ;)

One will not make money in most cases raising guppies or other fishes at home anyway. In our killifish club we decided to put a minimum bid of $5 on any pair of killies in our meeting's mini-auction. That is mostly a symbolic gesture, because even there, unless those fish are really young, one is really not getting back what they put into the fish in terms of paying for a 1/20th or 1/10th portion of the house, the water, electricity and heating bill, fish food and aquarium equipment. So for most it is kind of a hobby business.

My bride does a home merchandising business. Same thing, for most people into that, it is a hobby business. At best she earns a little pen money.

You, for your part, must be able to guarantee to the shop that your guppies will breed true. That seems unfair because so many shops mix the guppies which come in. If your guppies, however beautiful, will not breed true, then they are common guppies, one step above feeders. Would they bring much? It has been a while since I went looking. Would about $3 each sound likely? Shops would get fish wholesale probably 1/3 to 1/10 of what they sell for. Most of the other expenses are to cover losses, wages for employees, utilities for the store, maybe $1,000 rent a month for a very small store, rarely fish food and paying off the five or six figure loan made to equip and stock the store. Most stores lose money on livestock even with that mark up. If they can't sell enough dry goods, they are out of business.

Oh yes, and then there is liability insurance in our lawsuit crazy country. Or as in the news today, of the meatpacking company with tainted meat, one big case and they fold.

Even a fish club meeting in (renting) a school room is asked to carry a minimal policy covering a million dollars liability these days. No policy, no room, because the schools don't want to/ can't take on that liability either.

There are a lot of great reasons, if one is a shop keeper, to buy locally raised fish. (And corporations are so locked into their own wholesale operation that they order their people not to buy from locals.)

The fish are far less stressed coming from your house than flying crowded in boxes from Florida or the Far East. Your fish are accustomed to the local water supply and there shouldn't be losses to chemical shocks. If you have been properly quarantining all new breeders and treating them for parasites, your fish should carry less disease.

In buying fish from an accomplished aquarist, you also keep a loyal customer. It sometimes is handy to have experienced people hanging out at a shop. And surely there are more good reasons to buy locally.

Notice that your comment was answered down here. Think of how many times I have asked you to respond to a comment by replying AFTER the item you are commenting upon. Don’t think that you have yet done that. :)

If that is your approach to raising, buying and selling guppies too, perhaps that is one of the reasons why your parents are hesitant to give you free reign on purchasing and selling. Pirates never were much into accounting. ;)

Bet though that you do a much better job of raising guppies than they would.

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I don't know if this would be a compromise (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 11:42:39 AM PST

which would work for you and your parents. Google your city, state, country or area. Also include aquarium society or aquarium club. See what comes up and check out their web site. There have been a lot of auctions in the last month.

Ask if you could attend a nearby auction. Take someone in your family and/or a friend like guppyfreak with. The buddy system is good. Register as paying cash. Ahead of time, work out with the current administration at home, how much that cash will be. In the meantime set up a quarantine tank or at least a large quarantine bowl in a warm spot

A hint on auctions: try to stay to the end. Quite by accident recently I bought a 29-gallon tank for $2 at the end of an auction. I was just being sociable.

So don't talk with your hands! ;)

You might call or e-mail the contact person and even ask how long the auction will last. If you think you would be impatient and if they say that it starts at 11 AM and usually goes until 3 PM, arrange to show up at 1 PM.

DO see if you can quietly look at the table(s) with the auction items on them. Carefully check the guppies. (Viewing is usually before the auction begins. Some clubs allow viewing later on.)

Write down the bag number, seller number and description (one trio, half-black yellow guppies) on the bag. Listen for it and similar bags. Don't buy bags unseen. Lots of us have gotten burned that way. ;)

And don't buy more that you can care for. When prices get dirt cheap at auction's end, it is really tempting to buy too much. It is not a bargain if it is going to die. :(

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