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Ummmm..........Java Moss........again.........

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By RaiderFan92
from the RaiderFan92 department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:10:18 PM PST
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So were can I get some El Java Moss (That means "The Java Moss" in spanish. ya, Im a spanish wiz. I know.)?



Ummm...........well.........

"So were can I get some El Java Moss (That means "The Java Moss" in spanish. ya, Im a spanish wiz. I know.)?"

Any suggestions?

And can I grab any in the creek? Its a branch of the Big Nemeha River.

THE OAKLAND RAIDERS BEAT THE PHILEDELPHIA EAGLES!
16-10!

Ya it is just preseason.

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Ummmm..........Java Moss........again......... | 5 comments (5 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Ummmm..........Java Moss........again......... (none / 0) (#1)
by doublec5 on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 06:49:21 PM PST

I got mine at the LFS, but according to UncleScott it is available at some aquarium club events, if you are lucky enought to have an aquarist club.
Doublec5
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I've learned the hard way. Don't leave gaps in the hood bigger than your fish!


There is a native moss (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 08:45:46 AM PST

"floating around" our killie club. One of the guys found it in a cattle-watering trough in western Illinois. A local botanist confirmed that it is supposed to be around here and gave me the scientific name, which I misplaced (lost). It is amazing stuff. I have it in a barrel out back and in a couple of tanks. That barrel freezes solid every winter and in the spring that stuff comes back! Google your state, also including mosses or Bryophytes.

I discovered that keeping mosses in too much light, may encourage hair algae to grow among them. Putting the mosses in a dramatically darkened place will eventually kill off the hair algae. So will putting a lot of heavy feeding plants in the aquarium, especially if they shade the moss.

Mosses "like" wet conditions. Make sure whatever you seek really is aquatic or can be. There used to be these little "Christmas trees" sold (a long time ago) in dime stores. It was some sort of clubmoss and it just sat there forlornly and died after a couple of months.

Here are a few places to look. I wouldn't ship if temperatures are not under the 80sF/ over 27C. By the middle of October it will be getting pretty cold to ship in the Northern Hemisphere or at least in the Great Plains.

http://www.aquariumgarden.com/index.php
terribly high price for JM

http://www.azgardens.com/

also Christmas moss, which has a different pattern and even greener. Additionally it is called Asian Christmas Moss/Taiwan Moss  (Vesicularia fasciculata)

http://www.aquabotanic.com/
They have it. Lots of info on this site and groupings of plants for sale. Currently it is on "sale".

See also:
http://www.westerleighaquarium.com/
http://www.freshwateraquariumplants.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=FAP/CTGY/SAP

Froogle Java Moss, Vesicularia, Vesicularia dubyana maybe even Bryophytes.

I would also look for the Java ferns, another set of Epiphytes which do very well in aquaria. There are several strains and cultivars in the hobby. Since there are several species of Microsorium pteropus in nature, there will be more too. :)

Also try image searches - sometimes one will get into a specialty club or find a commercial site that one missed before.

APD Aquarium Plant Digest mailing list is a long running plant list. Archives for that and other important mailing lists are at http://fins.actwin.com/search.cgi
Search for things like Java moss sources, plant venders, and aquarium plant venders

Sometimes other groups will offer plants that go with their fish. Killinuts love the low light plants. If you go to the AKA site www.aka.org and click on The Fish (left side of the page). Click on current F&EL or Fish and Egg listing. Plants are often included. (Members get the F&E archives.)

Also, a word about Fontinalis antipyretica, this is a widespread plant, found all over the Northern Hemisphere. At one time it was actually used to dress wounds (hence it's scientific name.) It has roots, the Java, Christmas and many other mosses don't have roots. I have seem (when I can't remember) Fontinalis for sale. A close look revealed that particular offering to just be Java moss, there were no roots! Fontinalis is really a cool water plant, Java moss is probably a better bet in aquarium and paludariums.

I once saw a poison arrow frog tank with living sphagnum moss. That is found in bogy, acidic places like the Okefenokee Swamp. Near me there is just the Volo Bog and everything there is protected. I'm sure that it is available commercially.  There are a couple of species probably found all over the US and world.

Raider, don't collect locally without bringing someone (and maybe a rope) with you.

I have also found Elodea canadensis  (Anacharis in the hobby) in reasonably clean local streams. It is a good as an oxygenator. It needs a lot more light than mosses.

And if you bring something home, DON'T just put it in an aquarium. Look for hitch hikers. Read
Cleansing New Plants in Immediate Help. In fact do that before collecting and plan accordingly. :)

All the best!
unc

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Re: There is a native moss (none / 0) (#4)
by RaiderFan92 on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 09:02:13 AM PST

Actually unclescott, I wouldnt really mind having a couple of hitch-hikers, considering that my tank is 3 catfish and 2 adult guppies as of right now (Ya, some fry too.)!

Ill look at the creek next time inbetween minnow-trap-check-ups.
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."-FDR. True, unless your playing against the Oakland Raiders.
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However these hitch hikers might include leaches, (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 07:00:38 PM PST

hydra, water tigers and dragon fly larvae. Or the eggs for several of those may adhere to the plants. All of those could suck the life blood out of your fry and maybe even the adult guppies! And then there are the potential diseases and parasites ...

Terry Fairfield, the limnologist, has been astonished by the familiar disease organisms he could find, under a low magnification microscope, in water from a lot of American streams and lakes.

Plant quarantines (which in sense a soaking in an alum solution is) are designed to protect your fish from whatever is coming in. That really is the same as a fish quarantine. In a secondary sence the quarantine is also to help the new residents adjust. But the primary priority is to keep what you already have healthy.

Until proved innocent, assume that new entries for an aquarium maybe carrying something unpleasent. They too often do. I have even found leaches on plants at the wholesalers! A quick glance and a shake of the plant is not enough to protect your fish. :)

atb!

PS: Don't leave minnow traps unattended too long. You may find one very full green sunfish. ;)

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Re: Ummmm..........Java Moss........again......... (none / 0) (#2)
by RaiderFan92 on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 06:55:09 PM PST

I dont know if Petco or Petsmart sell it, and how they sell it if they do (Wieght, size, handfull....).
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."-FDR. True, unless your playing against the Oakland Raiders.
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