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More strange non-fishy creatures in my tank!

Aquaria
By lomelindi
from the Confounded department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:26:51 PM PST
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I originally started writing this asking for help in identifying the next generation of strange wee beasties in my crazy five-gallon fishless tank.  However, while I was writing it, I pretty much figured it out.  So I have a few more questions, and some information about my new pets. ;)



Okay... this is a five-gallon tank, with *NO* fish, two happily breeding snails that came out of nowhere.  I think I found an egg clutch today, how exciting!!!  It's a jelly-like substance with many white dots on the gravel against the glass, so I assume that means they're just common pond snails, and not some apple variety.

It also had one random hydra hanging around on a leaf, which I manually removed from the tank in hopes that it was the only one.  I've seen hide nor hair of them since, but I realize that they may very well still show up.  Because of this, I have decided to let the tank go "back to nature" so to speak and not put any fish in there for a while.

Speaking of hydra, I actually told my plant supplier about the little fellows, and she examined her own stock and realized she had them, too.  She was very apologetic, and appreciative of Uncle Scott's suggestions on how to get rid of them.  (I sent her a link to a GL article.)  She offered to refund me, but I can't bring myself to accept it... :)

The snails are happy with whatever the water quality is.  I'm scared to test it, because it had been medicated and I've not changed the water since.  Though because of recent events, I may have to.  Might be interesting.

BUT.. and lord do I ramble.. these new visitors are strange ones.  They somewhat resemble slugs, or snails sans shell.  They're clearish whitish, with nearly-discernible white organs, and they're all *over* the glass.  They're about 1/16 of an inch long, or one millimeter.  Those are the biggest, as some are easily half that to microscopic size.  There seem to be two stages of this little bugger... a free-swimming (free-sliming?) version, and something that seems to be stationary and attached to the glass.  The latter may possibly be some innovative form of algae I'm mis-identifying, though.  Who knows.

My very first thought was "..planaria?", pulling back through the centuries to biology class.  (Funnily enough, we also studied hydra!)  Planaria, if I remember correctly, are cute little cross-eyed flatworms that can be "trained" with light and touch stimuli, and if this is what I have, then I'll let them stick around.  Apparently, they can even be trained to go through simple mazes.

Everything I've read says they are carnivores, but that they can live for up to three months without food.  I may have to go against my better instincts and toss a few bloodworms or fragment of liver or egg yolk in with them.  Just to see what happens.  Strict quarantine, nothing moved between that tank and any other.  I don't want these guys in other tanks.  I'll set up a separate set of equipment for it.

According to what I've read, they are non-parasitic, and it doesn't seem like they could actually hurt fish or snails.  I found a really good site about aquatic beasties here.. http://www.fishpondinfo.com/micro.htm  This site offers some good control techniques which I may have to employ if the glass starts getting hard to see through. :)

You know, I started writing this asking what they were, but it sounds like I've answered my own question.  So I guess my questions to you are...

- Am I probably right in my diagnosis, or is there something else they might be?  Could it be some form of the hydra?  I'm pretty sure this isn't what snail babies look like. O.O
They look pretty much like what documentation I've seen... IE http://naturalaquariums.com/inverts/worms.html

- Would these be of any danger to fish, directly or indirectly?  They seem harmless, if a little dirty.  They excrete a slime (so I read) that probably doesn't do the water quality any good.  Another site I found says that they're bad for egg-laying fish, as they eat the eggs... I wonder if that means they'll control my snail population?  I was looking forward to tiny snailettes.  Hmm...

- Would fish or fry eat them, perhaps?  Maybe I can just pretend that this... erm.. "mature" tank is a big food culture.  Hehe.  I've read somewhere that paradise fish eat them, but I'm loathe to stick one of those pretty, huge things in my wonky little tank.

- Am I right in guessing that they, too, hitchhiked in on the java fern I ordered?

- And finally, why are all these wee beasties showing themselves in the five-gallon tank, while the ten-gallon, with plants from the same batch, is pristine as far as I can see?  With the hydra I could understand that they'd just be hiding, but these possible-planaria are *EVERYWHERE* in the other tank.  Could it be that, because my five-gallon gets a little more sunlight, the algae growth fosters more little animals?  Maybe the water quality upset from the medication (Pimafix and Melafix) has put my tank's stats into parameters my aquariums normally aren't?  Are the fish in the ten-gallon eating these guys?  I've got guppies, a betta, a pleco, and an ADF in there.  There's nothing in the 5-gal to decay, not even food now.  There would be more of that in the ten-gallon.. ..unless the frog pellets are hanging out down there in the five-gal's gravel, from when the frog was in that tank? *lightbulb over head*

< well, i'm wondering about this new order... | Feeding problems...........I think.....maybe........is it normal? >
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More strange non-fishy creatures in my tank! | 2 comments (2 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Lomelindi, if they are planaria, (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 09:04:27 PM PST

those are not uncommon visitors where there is too much "food" whether aquarium flakes, dead fish or snails, detritus or something else which is decaying in the tank. Militant cleaning (vacuuming) and water changes (boy do I feel like a Hypocrite saying things like this) should rob them of their food.

If you will not be breeding egglayers in that tank (on purpose) then the planaria wouldn't be much of a threat. I guess they are kind of a sign that there is too much organic atuff around the tank. It could be some sing which is much worse. ;)

Hydra are not a threat to adult guppies, but I would guess they can be a threat to small fry. A lot of people have started feeding freshly hatched baby brine shrimp to their guppies or fry and then they wonder where in the world all the hydra came from.

I would treat for them. Otherwise they will come back to say hi at the most inconvenient time.

Some of the things used to effectively treat them are:
Panacur
Aquarisol *
Flubendazole
Levimisole
Fluketabs *
Clout *

Formaldehyde **

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/FlubendazoleArticle.pdf

The items with two astericks can be quite hard on the fish and I wouldn't use them. One * means that you couldn't find the others. ;) I would guess that Jungle's treatment for external parasites would work well. Basically if it is a dewormer, it should work. The ones without * are most benign with plants as well as fish.

I left organo-phosphates off the list. Sometimes they are needed, but usually that is like bringing the tiger home to eat the mice.

Glad your plant source found something from IH of use. :) I have had a single Java fern fill a 10-gallon and another fill a 5-gallon tank from side to side. The first one was moved to a 20 and did a pretty darn good job of filling that one too!

Why some branch out into new plants and why some just grow and grow, I don't know.

All the best!
unc



I'm running the gauntlet! (none / 0) (#1)
by lomelindi on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 06:21:13 PM PST

I swear, I'm watching this tank more than the one with fish in it.

Those "immobile" guys on the glass, which I mistook for the planaria, are apparently something completely different.  They're clear white, about the same size as the biggest planarians, but wider and more round.  They move much more slowly, and they seem to have a shell-like bit to them.  They also each have a black mark in their insides.  I'm going to hazard a guess that these might be baby snails, because I've never seen them, but we'll see.  They're not photophobic like the planeria, so I'm guessing they're not related.



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