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setting up my 50g

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By wraith, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:26:58 PM PST
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I have read through all of the fishless cycling and still have a couple of questions.



1.How long does gravel need to be in an established tank before it is considered seeded?

2.If I am adding water taken out of my other tanks during water changes, what % should be new water and what % can be water from my other tanks?

3.When I add my first fish, how many can I add? I always read 2-3, but in a larger tank should I add a few more? Say 4 or 5?

Thanks so much!

Cheers!

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setting up my 50g | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
a little update... (none / 0) (#3)
by wraith on Thu Jun 01, 2006 at 06:05:06 PM PST

thank you both.
Here's what I have going on right now...
I have decided that I am going to re-seal the tank. The top 1/2 inch has come away on a few of the sides, so I figure it's better to be safe than sorry. The tank doesn't leak YET, but that doesn't mean it won't in a month!
So I have a little more time to prepare a few things. And also, upon actually  looking at the tank, I thought it seemed a little small to be a 50g, it's a hex tank so I was unable to know just on sight as I've never had one before. So I measured and it's actually about a 25g. Still, it's a free tank with a nice stand! Hahaha!
So, while I am waiting...
Usually I only have about a half inch of gravel on the bottom of my 20g tank, I topped it off to just over an inch 2 days ago. Gently mixed it into the old gravel a little. In my two 10g tanks I dropped in a knee high stocking full of gravel. I am hoping that using this gravel when I set up the hex tank will help the whole process go a little smoother and quicker.
I have also set up the hex's filter in my 20g. I have both of them set pretty low so they can both run at the same time.
I have also put some of the decor I want to have in there into the 10's.
What I am aiming to do is shut down my two 10g's, keep one as a quarantine tank, and put what was in them into this new hex tank. I also have a 27g that I will start setting up as soon as one of my 10g is moved, need the space!
About how many fish to add, thanks for the info. I just thought maybe a bigger tank needed a few extra fish to get the process going, guess not! Good to know! Thank you!  
So in about a week I will start adding water and filling the tank with "stuff". The silicone I bought says to wait 2-5 days for it to cure......bit of a window! So I will wait the 5. Will make me crazy, but I will wait! ;)

cheers!



We talked about this before. As the weather gets (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Thu Jun 01, 2006 at 11:18:09 PM PST

more humid (at least in this part of the northern hemisphere) sealing with silicone is probably more effectively done. There is a bathroom waiting for me to do some sealing in. (Rats, probably when it gets warmer again next week.)

Remember that that chemist suggested that 7 days was the optimum for silicone curing. The actual bead was pretty modest. He felt that the closer to seven days you let it sit, the stronger the bond (relatively speaking) would be.

I know it is hard to wait on these things. :)

ATB!
unc

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Congratulations on the new aquarium. (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Thu Jun 01, 2006 at 02:36:40 PM PST

Congratulations on getting the new set-up. I'm assuming that you are placing it out of the influence of drafts from the door and light from the windows and that it is placed on flooring which will easily support over 600 lbs of aquarium.

When you said 50-gallon, I thought of the quite common 55-gallon aquarium which is usually 48x13x20 inches in its dimentions. The surface of that one is 624 square inches or .4 of a square meter. The 50-Gallon at 36x18x18 is 684 sq. inches of surface or .44 of a square meter. In effect its extra 10% of surface area will help it be more efficient in terms of caring for the fish. It is two inches shallower, so a little better for plants too.

1. I would guess that if the tank it is taken from has completed its cycle, the gravel is seeded. If you have to put other gravel in your 50, put the new stuff in first and then the (still wet) seasoned stuff on top.

2. Add better than 50% water from the established tanks if you can. If you have a seasoned sponge or box filter from an established tank (if not, get and start one now), then it is not absolutely necessary to fill the tank up. If you have 10 gallons of water from other tanks, you could just add 1o gallons of new treated/ seasoned water. Of course with the fishless cycling, you could just fill it up and see what happens. "No fish were injured in this cycle." ;)

3. I can understand adding 5 guppies or medium small fishes to the cycled tank. I need to appeal to the experience of Angelhologram and others here because if you have been cycling a fair amount of ammonia through there, I would think you probably could put more fish in there if it was running 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites. But I would like to check with someone who has actually done this.

I regularly "cannibalize" established tanks to start new ones. The new populations of fish are light and plants are added for shelter, decoration and to help the aquarium over bumps in the ammonia supply. I rarely have any problems if over 1/2 of the gravel and water are imported from other tanks.

I would guess that you will significantly shorten the time that fishless cycling in a brand-new set-up would take by importing water, gravel and a filter.

We need to hear from anyone who has done the fishless cycling from scratch and anyone who has done the fishless cycle with the imported water, gravel and filter.

I know! I'll just tell my wife it is an experiment. I need two 50s on an over/ under stand. One will be cycled from scratch and one with the imported elements. :)

I fear that plan has as much chance of floating as the Titanic. ;)

Good luck with yours!
unc



"adding 5 guppies " (none / 0) (#2)
by angelhologram on Thu Jun 01, 2006 at 03:45:44 PM PST

You are adding 5 drops of ammonia per 10 gal in the beginning. Lets say you cycle a 10gal tank like this. That is enough ammonia to cycle the tank for 3 possibly 4 fish. You are cycling 5 times that much water but it is still cycled for the same amount of fish even though there is more water. I wouldn't add more than 6 or so and then test you water religiously for the next few days and watch for changes. If it looks like the ammonia is climbing either take out some fish or pick up your water changes. If the nitrAte starts falling you know that you can safely add more fish because they aren't producing enough ammonia to keep the nitrAte level up. I'm sure there was probably a more clear way to explain this but I have the flu and I'm not thinking all that clearly.

As to length of time for seeded vs non seeded tanks water perameters have a lot to do with it. I've cycled a seeded heated (79F) 10gal in 10 days. This was with lots of filter media, ornaments, and some gravel. My friends 20gal, unheated, unseeded tank took almost 3 weeks.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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