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Amo Lock???

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By guppy1111
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Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:28:01 PM PST
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Would it be ok to use amo lock. Is it safe for my fish?  Thanks



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Amo Lock??? | 8 comments (8 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
On the package, what does it claim to do? :) (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Tue May 09, 2006 at 04:34:47 PM PST

I thought I had a sample. Couldn't find it, though I turned up several other interesting products. ;)

Did your LFS (Live Fish Shop) mention to you whether your municipal water supply had chlorine or chloramine (chlorine + ammonia) in it? Would they know if you or your parents phoned them?

If those at the shop suggested the product, they may have known that "they" put chloramine in the water. Without a product to dissipate the chlorine and "bond" (at least temporarily the ammonia in the water) it is pretty dangerous for your guppies.

This is an important issue and a very important question to ask. :)

All the best!
uncle scott



Re: On the package, what does it claim to do? :) (none / 0) (#6)
by wraith on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:41:22 PM PST

I have a bottle here......
on the side it reads...

Benefits: promotes healthy gill function and eliminates fish stress caused by ammonia. Each dose of Ammo-lock will detoxify 3.0 ppm if ammonia, 7.0 ppm of chlorine and 5.0 ppm of chloramines.

Directions: add 5 ml for 10 US gallon of water. Continue to add every 2 days until ammonia is not detected. If, after 7 days, ammonia is still present, perform a partial water change, service your biological filter and reduce feeding.

Tip: Ammo-lock does not remove ammonia; it converts it to a non-toxic form. After use, your aquarium water will still test positive for ammonia even though it is in a non-toxic form which will be removed by the biological filter.

I used it when I had an ammonia problem.  I used to to try and immediately give my fish some relief while trying to fix the problem. I didn't wait the 7 days to do the water change, but instead did small water changes daily until the problem cleared. Hope this helps!

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Re: On the package, what does it claim to do? :) (none / 0) (#7)
by guppy1111 on Thu May 11, 2006 at 03:29:00 PM PST

helps lots

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Re: On the package, what does it claim to do? :) (none / 0) (#8)
by miskairal on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:08:05 AM PST

and it's great info wraith!

But it's a bit contradictory isn't it? At one point is says keep adding until ammonia is not detected but then it says your aquarium water will still test positive for ammonia. Am I odd or is that odd info?
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Re: On the package, what does it claim to do? :) (none / 0) (#3)
by guppy1111 on Tue May 09, 2006 at 04:51:03 PM PST

its ok I think im just going to stick with the water changes.

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Wait. You asked the question. You say you want (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Tue May 09, 2006 at 10:46:09 PM PST

you want to keep your guppies alive. Please don't run away from reading the label of what may be a lifesaver for your guppies.

You were told that your question was an important question and essential to the health of your guppies. You or your parents paid for the Ammo-lock. It is ok for you to read the label and tell whether it is designed to eliminate chlorine and/ or chemically bond the ammonia in chloramine. That sounds pretty complicated, but the Federal government is urging commmunities to put those things in the drinking water because the threat of germs and bacteria otherwise coming through the water is even worse.

Running away from that and saying that you are just going to change water means that you effectively don't care if there is chlorine or chloramine in the water. Hiding from that question and not using that water conditioner means that if there is chlorine in the water, the fish's gills may be seriously burned and they may be in considerable pain for a day or three and even suffocate. The toxic ammonia doesn't make their situation any better.

I'm tickled that your are learning to use your test kits, but if the water is poisoned with chlorine or chloramine to start with, that other stuff is academic. The death of your Gandolf could have been by poisoning/ suffocation by one of those chemicals in the tap water. I would be glad to be wrong.

Saying you will do nothing to treat the tap water or to "season it" by letting it sit a couple of days in open containers (to absorb a little free oxygen and to shed a little carbon dioxide and free nitrogen) means that you may be sentencing other fish to similar painful deaths or poor health.

I'm not trying to be mean to you in asking what Ammo-Lock by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals is supposed to do. If you feel that you are being responded to unfairly, ask your parents to read this. Have them read your opening question and the comments after it. Talk it over with them. Ask them if it is reasonable to ask what the product does so that a hopefully correct answer may be given to you very important question. I hope it is not being unfair to then urge you to use it (if it does what was suggested above) so that your guppies have a chance at a comfortable, healthy start in your aquarium.

Sincerely,
uncle scott

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Re: Amo Lock??? (none / 0) (#1)
by lomelindi on Tue May 09, 2006 at 04:29:33 PM PST

Consider it a temporary solution at best.  Follow the directions on the bottle.

It's not going to last forever, though, so you'll have to work on your aquarium in the other ways we've talked about, too.



Really a good point, A bond that is formed (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:54:17 AM PST

with the ammonia. It slowly breaks down and releases it into the water again. The designers of that (especially John Farrell Kuhns, an aquarist and chemist, who led the development of Novaqua, Amquel and more recently Ultimate) were hoping that as it is released, the beneficial bacteria, which are growing as a part of the nitrogen cycle, could break down a gradual stream of ammonia more effectively than they could deal with a big burst or "spike" of the stuff. (One of the nice thing about plants is that they can somewhat "buffer" the tank in cases of a nitrogen spike.)

Sometimes it seems crazy to add tap water if it has a little ammonia in it and that has troubled me. But let's say that three units of ammonia (not having the developer's statistics with me, these are made up numbers of convenience) are added to the tank with the water change. But the fish have also been excreting ammonia and the bacteria that break down the ammonia into nitrites are active, so there is little other ammonia in the water, but there are four or five units of nitrites. Another group of beneficial bacteria is also breaking down the nitrites into nitrates.

It might help to have a visual of this process. If one would like that, go to Google, click on image search and search for Aquarium nitrogen cycle.

Now the fish can tolerate a lot more nitrate in the water than the earlier waste products, but there comes a time when too many nitrates can cause problems. These include things like stunting of growth, lowered immunity, disease outbreaks, eventually a slowing down, even suffocating (since the nitrates can eventually block the ability of the blood to carry oxygen) and dying by nitrate poisoning. So we do water changes.

Now let's say that in doing a water change, we take out 10 units of nitrates. That seems a little goofy in that we added three units of ammonia, but we are at least ahead of where we were. I'm sure there are days when we do what we have to do on the job, as home makers, as home owners, as students and so on, We get several tasks done and discover that other responsibilities have also cropped up.

However keeping up the water changes beats watching the fish respond to the increasingly toxic levels of nitrates by doing things like slowing down, clamping their fins, shimmying, sitting on the tank bottom, losing some color intensity or even turning black in places (a sure sign of stress) or become vulnerable to bacterial infections where fins rot, blood is visible under the skin or lesions and sores develop on their sides. A lot of those last things are because the potentially harmful critters in the water, who normally are kept at bay by the fish's immune system, can more successfully attack the fish as the immune system is "inhibited" or "compromised" or "slowed down" by the increasing quantity of harmful stuff in the water.

Water changing is the thing I like the least about the aquarium hobby. (Was on-line yesterday discussing almost automatic water changing systems with a gentleman. There is a fair amount of work and money in setting up things like that. Sometimes one might even have to sell their house and move to a place where such a system can be set up.) I also don't always like taking the car in for fluid changes or painting and re-roofing the house or leaving the toilet seat always down - the real biggie here. ;) But I like having available transportation, a snug, reasonably attractive home and getting along with family members, so I try my best and do those things. :)

All the best!
unc

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