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Sick Guppy :(

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By guppy1111
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Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:28:34 PM PST
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My female guppy Libby has been sitting on the bottom of the tank lately and her haed and back are like turning black. I no it could be Ammonia poisoning but what else could it be. and what should I do besides water5 changes for ammonia poisoning. Thanks bunches



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Sick Guppy :( | 11 comments (11 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#10)
by guppy1111 on Mon May 08, 2006 at 07:12:46 PM PST

I just noticed behind their eyes or lower neck is red. I did a twenty present water change today trying to lower the ammonia level. What could it be? Also my male guppy just swims to the top of the water and just lets himself drop to the bottom then does it all over again im kind of worried. What is he doing and why and is he sick? Thanks Bunches!!!!:0



Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#7)
by lomelindi on Mon May 08, 2006 at 07:58:45 AM PST

I have another couple questions for you, guppy1111.

A) I remember you had questions about how often you fed your guppies.  What did you decide to do?  It's nice to feed them several times a day, but you can only give them a little bit each time if you do that.  I know your guppies are sick right now, so try not to feed them very much.. once or twice a day, tops, and less than seven or eight flakes unless they're eating really well.  But the question is... before they started acting strangely, how often did you feed them, and how much?

B) When you change the water, how do you get the water out of the tank?  Do you just suck or dip it out, or do you use a "gravel vac," something that looks like a long hose with a wide end?  When you clean the tank, you have to poke around in the top surface of the gravel, because fish poo and uneaten food will end up there and make the water in your tank go downhill a lot faster than it would even with the uncycled water you put them in.  Let me know if you haven't been doing that and I'll tell you how in more detail.



Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#8)
by guppy1111 on Mon May 08, 2006 at 01:31:31 PM PST

when they were normal i fed them once a day about 8 flacks. now I feed them the same as i normaly would. Should I be doing this or what should i do? I scoop the water out when I change the water.

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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#9)
by lomelindi on Mon May 08, 2006 at 03:14:52 PM PST

Okay.. you did well with the amount of food you give them, then.

However, you're going to have to clean up the gravel more.  While scooping the water out will get the water, it's not touching all the gunk that settles into the gravel.

As soon as you can, go back to Petsmart or whatever petstore is nearby.  Ask someone who works there to help you if you need to.  Look for something called a gravel vac, or a siphon tube.  You can see a picture here... http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441776778&FOLDER%3C% 3Efolder_id=2534374302030123&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023693&bmUID=1147125752103& ;itemNo=5&In=Fish&N=2030123&Ne=2

You can get something as simple as that, or some really complex things too.  There should be instructions on the package, but in case there aren't, here are some for the simple siphon tube.  Before you do this, make sure your hands are clean, and if you use soap, make sure all traces of soap are gone from your hands.  Rinse really well.  Soap is like poison to fish.

  1. Remove any bigger decorations from your tank and set them aside in a dish or something similar.  You don't have to do this every time, but if it's the first time you've cleaned your tank, you'll probably want to.

  2. Have an empty bucket ready, at a lower level than the tank is.  (Read: Probably on the floor.)  It doesn't have to be perfectly clean, but it'll make things easier and more sanitary if it is.  You might also want to have towels around on the floor, just in case.  It shouldn't be messy, but you never know.

  3. Submerge the entire hose in your aquarium water.  Make sure there aren't any big bubbles.  You may have to try it a few times.

  4. Put your thumb over the narrow hose end and pull it out of the water, making sure not to let any air into the hose while you're doing it.  Point the end into the bucket.

  5. With your other hand, get a good grip on the "vacuum" end.  Keep it below the water and try not to suck up the fish.  It won't hurt them, but I'm sure it's stressful.  They'll probably stay away anyway.

  6. Let go of the opening with your thumb, and water should flow into the bucket.  Poke along the surface of the gravel, aiming for any dirty spots you see.  Don't go digging all the way to the bottom of the gravelbed, because you'll disturb the good bacteria.  You're mainly going for fish poop or uneaten food.  This decomposes and will raise your ammonia level.

  7. Stop if the water gets to less than 50%.  Even if the gravel's still dirty, you don't want to change any more water than that at one go.  You can always do it again in a week or so, or sooner if you really have a problem.

  8. Make sure you refill the tank with room-temperature, conditioned water, preferably some that has set for a day, though I personally have never done that and my fish don't seem to mind.

  9. The old fish water is actually pretty good plant fertiliser... toss it on some flowers or something.  No need to waste it. :)

If you are indeed having an ammonia problem, this will go a long way towards keeping the water in good condition.

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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#11)
by miskairal on Tue May 09, 2006 at 01:32:44 AM PST

lomelindi this needs to go into Immediate Help. It's great. We need a gravel vac instructions page to save everyone sucking on the hoses as they do :)
I'm going to be lazy and let you put it in IH though ;)
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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#2)
by lomelindi on Sun May 07, 2006 at 06:27:22 PM PST

*chuckles* Well I must say, I'm impressed that you're testing your water, dear.  You are indeed learning.  Keep up with the water changes, they're the best thing you can do for her right now.  I'll let the more well-versed people better diagnose your readings and the blackness on your fish.

Good luck.



Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#3)
by guppy1111 on Sun May 07, 2006 at 06:31:25 PM PST

Thanks

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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#1)
by guppy1111 on Sun May 07, 2006 at 05:53:04 PM PST

Also my Ammonia is between 0.5 and 1ppm. My nitrate is between 0 and 20ppm. My nitrite is between 0 and .5ppm.
The hardess is 120ppm. The Alkalinity is 120ppm. Ans the ph is 7.5



Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#4)
by angelhologram on Sun May 07, 2006 at 07:07:34 PM PST

::send you a big e-hug:: I'm so glad you have tested the water! That is the first step in becoming a responsible productive pet owner. Now, although you have heard it before, I'm going to nicely guide you in the direction of the IMMEDIATE HELP section to read up more on ammonia. Keep up the water changes and don't overfeed. Thank you for beginning to heed the advice given you :-)
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#5)
by guppy1111 on Sun May 07, 2006 at 07:10:50 PM PST

lol thanks

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Re: Sick Guppy :( (none / 0) (#6)
by miskairal on Mon May 08, 2006 at 01:27:53 AM PST

Yay guppy1111, way to go girl!
I'm assuming it's ammonia or nitrite poisoning also and water changes and decrease food as someone else said is about all you can do. Those test results are showing that your cycle is underway but my guess is that the ammonia may have been higher than it is now.

Of course it is possible it is some disease I am not familiar with but even then water changes is the best solution when you don't know the cause.

Cheers
miskairal
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