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used tank needs new seal...

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By wraith, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:28:42 PM PST
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I have just bought a 50gallon used custom made tank. It has been dry for about 2 years.



Because it is custom, it doesn't have the black trim along the top and bottom store bought tanks have. My question is this...
Does that trim actually support the glass from separating? If I remove the old seal from the inside of the tank to put new on, will the glass come apart?
I have found some good info on building a tank, so I know what I would need should that happen. I am just hoping that I will be able to take off the old inside seal, and replace it with new. I just want to make sure I have everything I need just in case I run into any problems.
If anyone has done this before, any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

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used tank needs new seal... | 9 comments (9 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: used tank needs new seal... (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Tue May 02, 2006 at 02:34:27 PM PST

I'm having fun in a similar area at the moment wraith. I pulled apart an old saltwater sump to make a new sump for my saltwater tank.

I think that once you remove the old sealant, it will all come apart. I did that by using a Stanley knife on the corner to remove some sealant to make a gap and then used fishing line like a garrotte to open the rest of the seal. There is nothing there then to hold that join together. Only the old sealant holds it.

I had to then cut some glass which was totally unsuccessful so I have some marked and am taking it to town today.

Next the sealing. This will be all practice for me and probably be a total mess but at least it doesn't matter being just a sump. Just make sure you have the right sealant though. It must be suitable for aquariums and must cure under water. Curing takes 7 days for the one I chose.

Good luck!
miskairal
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Silicone will not seal under water! (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Tue May 02, 2006 at 05:00:06 PM PST

That tank, set up just after sealing, is a disaster or tragedy waiting to happen, if that seam blows!

Clean how ever many joints or sides which need re-doing much as miskairal suggested. Wipe clean with rubbing alcohol. Use a THIN bead of silicone and smooth it out with a finger. It will partially seal in a day or two. For maximum strength, it needs to sit a week in warm, humid conditions.

If you are in the Northern Hemisphere, this may be a good time of the year to do it. And to do it outside. ;)

Somewhere on GL I wrote a long comment, based on a program by a chemist, who has had extensive professional experience with silicone. This is the first time the Google search hasn't presented my with what I wanted. Must be asking the wrong questions, using the wrong words. ;)

All the best!
uncle scott

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Re: Silicone will not seal under water! (none / 0) (#6)
by wraith on Tue May 02, 2006 at 08:12:27 PM PST

thanks for all your info, checked out that link, interesting.
I hadn't planned on setting it up right away. I was going to reseal, wait the 48 hours for the silicone to set and cure, then fill it about an inch deep and test for leaks in the bottom seals, then fill it all the way to check for any other leaks and strength. All of this out on my deck!
Now, I was under the impression that there never was any sort of support around this tank. It was just the glass tank, with a piece of glass about 6 inches wide on the top from side to side....to aid with holding the light and for structure? I'm not sure. I pick it up on friday, will have to ask more details.
The other thing about this tank is the dimensions. It is 48"L x 12"W x20"H. I loved it because it can site on the stand I currently have that holds my 20 gallon, only it will go from end to end of it. Creating a bit of a seperation wall in my living room.
After reading the comments left so far, I am thinking I should probably build something that will wrap around this tank. Perhaps something like the plastic trim on store bought, but with wood.... hm.....something else to research!
After I pick it up I will try and get a photo of it on here, so you can get a better idea of what I'm looking at.

Cheers!


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Re: used tank needs new seal... (none / 0) (#2)
by Scott Lockwood on Tue May 02, 2006 at 03:32:16 PM PST

My solution: Just do one joint at a time. Strip, clean, reseal, next!

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Re: used tank needs new seal... (none / 0) (#9)
by angelhologram on Wed May 03, 2006 at 05:03:39 AM PST

That is a very good idea SL! I honestly never would have thought of it as I tend to overthink everything lol. Simple is usually the best way to go.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Here's the summary of that talk by the research (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Tue May 02, 2006 at 05:21:28 PM PST

chemist, on silicone and sealing aquariums.

http://www.guppylog.com/comments/2004/12/9/859/95836/4#4

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Another old-timer suggested to me that (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Tue May 02, 2006 at 05:42:46 PM PST

if the leak was so tiny as to be almost invisible, one might (outside) try laying a tiny bit of that cyanide based super-glue (epoxy) in the crack. The next day try the aquarium could be filled and checked for leaks.

I can't vouch for the reliability of that, but may try that on a very small seam leak. If I do, I'll report back.

By the way, when resealing, people will use everything from C-clamps to duck-tape to hold the glass close.

One 125-gallon tank with a seal leak was turned on its side and that seam was re-sealed. A couple of buckets with gravel were set on the outside to hold the glass close! That sounds pretty tricky in itself.

Wraith, you also mentioned the possible need for a frame or clamp holding the two long sides of that tank together? Often that is absolutely essential. I recall someone having to do that with a commercial tank, where the plastic on top had broken.

I also picked up a 40-gallon tank from a friend who was moving across the country. It must have been one of the first made. He had fashioned a heavy duty plastic bracket to hold the sides together. When the kids were away, I tried filling that tank up with a hose and was shocked to see the sides visibly bowing out before the aquarium was half full! I never have moved so fast for a python tank filler/ drainer to pull the water out of there!

The brace doesn't add to the visual appeal of that aquarium, but I would never set it up without the brace or there would be glass shrapnel flying all over the room!

You may be very well served to fins some sort of clamp or middle bracket for that aquarium. Even if it originally didn't have it, as it ages, that would be an important nod to safety.

I put the tank on the bottom of an over and under stand. Discovered that one could spray a shop light (outside again) with a flat black enamel. It was hung from the top of the rack. Two tiny holes were drill in the lower side of the angle iron and S-hooks were inserted there, so the chains to the lower shop light could be secured. If you can plug such a non-aquarium light into a GFI outlet, that would be wise. Heck, it is wise to do that with all aquarium equipment, if at all possible!

All the best again!
u.s.

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Re: the sides visibly bowing (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Wed May 03, 2006 at 12:35:03 AM PST

Wouldn't the bowing be caused by the lack of glass thickness? I have a tank that is 120x35x40cm. It's got plastic "cover" strips over the side seams and a solid brace across the middle on top (from front to back), as wraith describes I think, but I'm not sure how thick the glass is. My 6 footer has two braces across the top but the glass is 10mm thick.
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Interesting thought. "Modern" glass (none / 0) (#10)
by unclescott on Wed May 03, 2006 at 08:49:55 AM PST

tanks are stronger, but actually the glass is thinner. They are either tempered safety glass such as is on cars (if so never try cutting it, it will shatter!) or something else much stronger than what was used.

My two living room tanks are all-glass. They date back to the '70s, perhaps the middle '70s when they were first making these things. (Both were picked up from friends who were moving.) The glass is 3/8th thick or something like that. The newer 55s have glass about 1/4 or 2/8th of an inch in depth. Thicker glass is not necessarily stronger.

The strength of some glasses was brought out to me with some display glass a neighbor was throwing out. I asked her if I could take the two pieces, which either had served as shelves or the top for things like a buffet. The plan was to take them to one of the old hardware stores and to get their glasscutter to slice them up, tank size, for tops.

A terrific storm, with predicted winds, blew in a month or two back. To my astonishment, I found one of these 4-foot pieces lying down on the relatively cold concrete, which meant that it had lifted away from the wall it was leaning on and fell over flat on that very hard surface! It was intact! Obviously it is not run of the mill window glass. I will not bother endangering a glass cutter by asking him or her to section it for me.

I know very little about the processes, but auto manufacturers have been improving the quality of their windshields since some sort of glazed glass was first used in the 1920s. They would suggest significant changes have been made, a couple of times since then. They are safer for us, but not to be cut up. And the decrease (certainly per mile) of lacerations in accidents today probably has more to do with wearing seat belts (and air bags?) than the new glass formulations, even that of the plastic/glass combos they have now.

Here is an article (part of a series) on what an Indian engineer uses for the tanks he builds. I notice he only lets the silicone sit 24 before he is testing for leaks. Don't know if he empties them after that. A link to another article shows him next to one of the 6-foot tanks he favors!
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/literature/Subramanian_Glass_Aquarium.html

All the best!
unc


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