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Just venting frustration.

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By lomelindi
from the irritable department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:28:45 PM PST
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I've spent almost the entire day going through the HTML of this site's Immediate Help page, reading each and every line of code, going through with a fine-tooth comb each and every story linked... and all the while, watching my beautiful pure white pedigreed male crowntail betta floating on his side in his tank.



This has happened before.  It's called swim bladder disorder.  While ornamental bettas still retain most of their vigor, they are certainly much more fragile than their wild cousins.  It's from so much time spent pulling strains out of their plain grey ancestors.  These particular bettas were raised on bloodworms, and while I do usually manage to feed them these, it's not always that it happens.  Sometimes I just don't have a choice but to toss a small pinch of flakes in there on the go.  I like to hope that it'll make up for whatever vitamins their bloodworms might be lacking in.

However, every few times I do it, this happens to the little guy.  As I hear it, it's a common side effect among young doubletailed and crowntailed bettas, and since he is all three... *laborious sigh*

While I know pretty much exactly what he's going through, it still drives me nuts.  My two beautiful young females and my two crotchety old petstore males, having been fed the exact same diet at the exact same time, are just cruising around, while Max floats, oftentimes halfway out of the water, looking like the quintessential "floater" dead fish. (Why is that the classical symbol of a dead fish?  Every fish I've ever experienced who has died under my care was entangled in plants, or bobbing along the bottom, being worried at by his tankmates)

He's not in any pain or, this time around, stress.  He doesn't really even seem to care, and I halfway believe that he likes not having to flop onto anything to rest.  He just.. floats there, periodically straightening up to take a breath, or scooting over to his mirror to flare, and then immediately goes back to floating lifelessly.  Time and again I found myself lifting the lid to startle him into straightening up, before I finally realized he probably needs the rest to let his bowels move.  I gave him a tiny bit of pea today, which he took readily, but I'm leery of giving him anything else.

I know by morning he'll be fine.  But it's so -nerve wracking- to watch this, especially while laboriously going through line after line of coding.

On the upside, I will have learned the entire Immediate help page inside and out.

Bettas are funny kids.  When they get older, they get so lazy.. I'll never get over the humor value of watching my big old crotchety blue mutt veiltail betta come ponderously up to accept whatever I'm feeding him, circle his tank once or twice like a dog, look around, then abruptly and startlingly go head-first into the open slot of the bridge decoration in there, and staying put.  It's disturbing.. I keep expecting him to hurt himself that way.  But no, he just stays anchored there until something attracts his interest or he gets to needing air, upon which time he'll come shooting out of aforementioned slot, attend to his needs, then go for a nose-dive into what I've come to refer to as his "betta bed."  Guppies are sweet and often very beautiful, but when it comes to character, they just can't compare...

...

Except when it comes to bettas floating on their sides in a tank two feet from your face.  Even a shimmying old scoliosis female with saddleback columnaris is more fun than that. =/

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Just venting frustration. | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Just venting frustration. (none / 0) (#7)
by Alisa on Mon May 01, 2006 at 11:17:00 PM PST

I'm wondering if it might be the particular brand of flake food you are feeding?  



Re: Just venting frustration. (none / 0) (#8)
by lomelindi on Tue May 02, 2006 at 04:19:02 AM PST

I wondered that myself, but I tried him on daphnia and it did the same thing.

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Re: Just venting frustration. (none / 0) (#9)
by Alisa on Tue May 02, 2006 at 10:02:15 AM PST

I don't know if this helps but I feed my guppies and my crowntail  alternating days of bloodworms, then "crisps", I use the tetramin tropical crisps crushed up.  I noticed with the flakes the betta  would eat it, then throw it back up.

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Re: Just venting frustration. (none / 0) (#1)
by lomelindi on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 06:45:03 PM PST

And not eight hours after symptoms set in, Max is once again able to comfortably stay near the bottom.  I didn't even notice him passing anything, but his tummy is definitely less bloated.

I dedicate this triumph of surgery to Unc;e and his laxative peas!

I may have to start eating pickles, if this keeps up. o.o



"I may have to start eating pickles" (none / 0) (#2)
by angelhologram on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 07:11:50 PM PST

Funny you should say that. The last few times I went shopping I picked up pickles thinking of Da Unc.
Sorry to hear about Max's boyancy problems but glad to hear he's doing better. Off topic, have you bred him? If so with what coloration female?
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: "I may have to start eating pickles" (none / 0) (#3)
by lomelindi on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 02:57:05 AM PST

I am planning on breeding him, yes.  He has two females in his harem, both bought from the same breeder.  One is an opaque crowntail just like him, and the other carries genes of.. ...you know what, I'll just get a couple pictures. :)

http://www.bettatalk.com/crowntail%20opaques.htm This is the strain the male and white female descend from.  The female is absolutely beautiful and pure.. the male admittedly has some flaws, but his genes are what count as far as breeding goes.

http://www.bettatalk.com/satin_flame.htm
The female, while mostly pure minus some cute little red markings, is from this strain, and breeding her with the male will throw some crowntail opaques, and some satin flames.

I had been planning on moving all of my 10-gallon inhabitants into my new 28-gallon and recycling the 10-gallon into a breeding tank, but I just can't get the process started.  It's a big undertaking, and I'm so reluctant to jinx the good luck I've had with my remaining fish.

But I did order my vinegar eel and microworm cultures and they came in yesterday.  I'll take that as a sign from above to get a move on. :)


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Would that satin flame Betta also be (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 09:13:24 PM PST

called a butterfly? Very impressive Betta.

Certainly within my, "yes I'd steal that fish," category. ;)

If you feel that you are suffering from an alum deficiency, I would look for those wide-mouthed gallon pickle jars in some place like Sam's Club.

Then have a party and serve dill pickles and popcorn, which go together surprisingly well. That has been a feature of a couple of local restaurants, who then go on to sell a LOT of beverages. ;)

I have still had fish jump out of them, when they really shouldn't have been able to. Plants, as usual, inhibit that jumping to a degree.

I have kidded about the ladies of our household being on a pickle kick. And suddenly just like that, no interest whatsoever in pickles. Last time we were grocery shopping, I suggested a gallon of sliced dills. No sale!

I'm sorry to hear about that languishing Betta. After all of the talking up of live and frozen foods, would it be better (or is that betta?) to just feed him flake food. If he is a full grown male, he may not need as rich a diet as a female who is generating eggs or a youngster still growing. (Just speculation here.)

Older adult livebearers and killies are sometimes best not fed white worms or blackworms, because the fats and oils, great for egg development, also really can help those fish become obese! Not only pet dogs and cats are at risk of being overweight!

Glad to hear he pulled out of it. Didn't know Bettas would take peas. As the neighbors said when a certain lovely young lady said yes to my marriage proposal. "There's no accounting for taste!"

All the best!
unc

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Re: Would that satin flame Betta also be (none / 0) (#5)
by lomelindi on Mon May 01, 2006 at 03:39:16 AM PST

That's part of the trouble... when I first got the fish, I fed him the bloodworms Faith (Owner of bettatalk and all those pretty strains) said that he must eat.. and things were fine.  Then, due to time problems, I started offering flake, and that's when he periodically went belly-up.  I'd like to stress that once he (I assume) passes whatever's in his stomach, he's absolutely fine, no stressing at all. He's done it three times now.  At first I thought he was overeating, but even with the very sparing measure of Daphnia I offered him, he did it.

I'm starting to wonder if there's something else going on here.  Is he swallowing too much air when he eats, perhaps?  He does seem to go overboard with the lunging.  When I feed my fish bloodworms, I offer them with a pair of tongs below the surface of the water because I like to monitor the waste in those smaller tanks.  That would mean no air-swallowing.  Also, I like it because all of my fish have learned to respond to and follow the tong tips, meaning stress-free capturing in a cup, etc, when it's time to clean tanks.  Works every time, even for my frog.. my african DWARF frog. ;)

So.. maybe I'll offer things like flake with the tongs, below the surface, and see if the floating problems go away.  First, however, I believe there's a day's fast in the works, just to make sure.

Also, "Satin Flame" is just a name Faith gave her strain with that butterfly pattern of red and white.  From what I've gathered, at least in betta circles, "butterfly" just refers to the "halved" look of the betta's fins.  So yes, it is a butterfly fish.:)

All of her bettas are mind-blowingly beautiful.  It takes all my self-control to stay away from the purchase page.  Two strains are enough, Kelli.  Two strains are enough. x.x

http://bettatalk.com/catalog_new.htm If you or anyone is interested in the eye-candy. :)

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flake with the tongs (none / 0) (#6)
by angelhologram on Mon May 01, 2006 at 06:42:12 AM PST

I was going to suggest something similar. Or maybe you could just hold them under the water for a few seconds so they float in the middle (before falling to the bottom). Do you happen to have any pleco wafers? I wouldn't say to keep him on them full time but it may help him to learn that not all food is going to try and wiggle away and my fish seem to love them.
Beautiful bettas by the way. The Satin Flame is breathtaking!
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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