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Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochloride

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By Scott Lockwood
from the Frustrated site admin. department, Section News
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:33:50 PM PST
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So, my fish have these worms sticking out of their ass...



Update [2007-4-28 8:28:27 by Scott Lockwood]: There is some indication that the math is still wrong, that you may want to use 500mg rather than 695mg per 10 gal tank.



Update [2006-5-1 12:19:55 by Scott Lockwood]: My math errors have been corrected, thanks to all who checked my math!

And I was like, "WTF?!"

This was disappointing because I've gone all these years without ever having a fish get Camellanus. Even more frustrating, was trying to find dosing instructions on my own site! There are a lot of different things posted here about the treatment of this disease, but there is no "Really Busy Guy's Guide to Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hcl" anywhere that I can find.

So, without further ado,

Part I

The Really Busy Guy's Guide to Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hcl

  1. Buy Levamisole Hcl.
  2. Remove all carbon filtration from your tank.
  3. Change the water in your tank! Vacuum the gravel for crap and garbage, LOTS of it!
  4. Dose your fish!
  5. Change your water after 24 to 48 hours.
  6. Wait about a week or two.
  7. Change the water in the treated tank, (and vacuum) again.
  8. Dose your fish again.
  9. Change your water after 24 to 48 hours.
  10. Wait about a week or two.
  11. Change the water in the treated tank,(and vacuum) again.
  12. Observe closely for a few weeks. If you see more worms, start over at step 1.
Now, I'm sure a lot of you are wondering a few things here. I know I sure am. Why treat twice automatically? Because 'Really Busy Guy's' don't have time to waste and can't always be as observant as YOU have time to be, and this helps to make sure you get them all. The worms, their eggs, any hiding in the nasty rocks, etc.

Part II

Why I did things this way

  1. The biggest problem I had was finding reliable dosing instructions. I finally settled on calculating the mg dosage I would need for a 10 gallon tank by reffering to Inkmakers excellent paper on the subject. He calculated how to treat 4 gallons, so I used the following forumla (mostly his) to calulate how to treat my ten gallon tank: ((185 * 1.5) * 2.5 == 693.75mg/10 gal of water. In English (hahaha!) that means I want to add about 695 milligrams of Levamisole Hcl to a 10 gallon tank.
  2. The second biggest problem I had was finding where to get the stuff. I settled on Valley Vet Supply, mostly due to another GL'ers experiance with getting the meds from them in a hassle free timely mannor.
  3. Measuring how much powder to use out of the package I recieved. The problem with just ordering Levamisole Hcl is, of course, that what I got was meant for cattle. So, I had to figure out - how much powder is 695 mg? The package came with 1.8 oz of powder. That 1.8 oz is also 52g, of which 46.8g is meds. I have no idea what the remaining stuff was. Filler, I guess. I found it a lot easier to just say that 1.8 Oz was equal to 46.8g of medication. Thus, 46.8 / .695 works out to 67.3381295, or 67 doses for a 10 gallon tank. YMMV (Your Math May Vary). I thus arrived at 1.8g / 67 doses = 0.0268656716 oz/dose. I round that up to .027, just to keep things simple. (if you're laughing at this point, so was I...)
  4. This lead to my next major problem, which of course was how the hell do I measure 0.027 oz of this powder with kitchen impliments? If you have an EASY answer to this one, please let me know. The big problem I have here of course, is that I don't have a scale that measures accurately, or I'd just use that. I suggest other 'Really Busy Guy's' buy one. Label it 'FISH MEDICATION ONLY' and keep it with the fish stuff so that no one thinks you're a cocaine dealer.


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Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochloride | 30 comments (22 topical, 8 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Treating with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 0) (#30)
by angelhologram on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 09:18:06 PM PST

This entry needs one bit of editing.....please contact our resident guppylogger Inkmaker for your meds if you cannot find it in your local pet/feed store. Here's some links for treatment and ordering
http://inkmkr.com/Fish/CamallanusTreatment/CamallanusTreatment.pdf
and
http://inkmkr.com/Fish/ItemsForSale.html

By the way "Hi!" everyone!!!! Yes I'm still alive but Lowe's has been keeping me VERRRRYYYY busy!Got more ink done, will post pic soon on the Frappr map.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~



Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 1) (#27)
by inkmaker on Sat Apr 28, 2007 at 01:34:57 PM PST

Dosage:
One needs to obtain the prepackaged Levamisole or have a gram scale or can borrow one. Your targer is about 13 ppm. That is very close to 5 grams in 100 gallons of water.

0.5 grams in 10 gallons(37.854118 liters)
500 milligram/37.854 liter= 13.2 mg/liter

Please check my math!

I hope this helps

charles@inkmkr.com
http://www.InkForYourPrinter.com



Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 0) (#26)
by jaidexl on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:36:42 AM PST

i hope someone can help me. i purchased soluble powdered levamisole hydrochloride pig wormer from Agrilabs. i'm unable to find anything online about measuring this stuff, only the cattle and sheep products. am i to assume that this is the same stuff? is it 100% pure lev? the bottle has no info telling the strength of the powder or the percentage of the final solution (it is a 500ml bottle with 18.15mg levamisole hydrochloride sitting at the bottom, meant to be filled with water, mixed then added to drinking water at certain amounts depending on pig weight). i've contacted Agrilabs for these answers, but they have yet to respond, and the camellanus are rearing their ugly heads as we speak. i don't have a scale, so it would be great to know the percentage of the final solution if i just mix the entire 500ml bottle as directed for pig treatment.

thansk for any help -J



(Comment Deleted) (none / 0) (#25)
by spamming_asshat on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 07:40:20 PM PST

This comment has been deleted by Scott Lockwood





Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 2) (#21)
by ballerina on Mon May 15, 2006 at 03:17:58 PM PST

is it absolutely necessary that you swear? if not i ask you to PLEASE not swear!!!



Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 0) (#22)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon May 15, 2006 at 10:14:37 PM PST

I went back, and glanced through - where did I swear, exactly? I don't see it.

Please be aware that this is not a site for children, you are now on the big bad scary internet, where people who can afford to put up their own webistes (that would be me, if you're confused) often do, and do what ever they want to with them. I choose to make mine about my favorite hobby. I have seen many sites about much less savory things.

Perhaps you should go buy one of those filtering products, that allows you block anything you find objectionable. While this will filter large portions of the internet from you, you will be offended a lot less.

Please note: The day you start paying the $156/mo it costs me to run this site, is the day I will grant you absolute editorial control.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 0) (#23)
by lomelindi on Tue May 16, 2006 at 06:03:58 AM PST

It was "ass" s/he was referring to, I'm sure.  I didn't comment on it for that very reason. =P

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Re: Treating Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochlor (none / 0) (#24)
by Scott Lockwood on Tue May 16, 2006 at 09:36:58 AM PST

My rule of thumb,

If the word is in the bible, it's ok to say it.

My comment about total editorial control still stands. Sorry, but I care a lot about this site, and I think some find it way to easy to play arm chair quarterback. I'd be happy to tell him/her how to setup their own site just like this. :) For $24.95 a month, I'd even host it. :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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LOL! But the Biblical ass is a domesticated, (none / 1) (#28)
by unclescott on Thu May 03, 2007 at 01:57:34 PM PST

four-footed beast of burden. :)

I'd be pretty upset if I saw worms coming out of my donkey too. :)

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Re: LOL! But the Biblical ass is a domesticated, (none / 0) (#29)
by Scott Lockwood on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:05:26 AM PST

Now see, if you'd just waited 13 more days, you could have replied exactly one year after it was originally posted! :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Camellanus with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 1) (#18)
by grizzly29 on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:23:02 PM PST

This was the easiest dosage directions I found when I did this last summer, They came from the unc.

Dissolve the 5 grams of medication in a known amount of water. An 8 ounce bottle of drinking water would be good. You know there is 8 ounces there. Now, half of that, 4 ounces, will treat 50 gallons of water. 2 ounces will treat 25 gallons. When you have done your treatment, mark the bottle with a permanent marker as to what is in it, cap it tight and put it in the refrigerator. It will keep for 3 months there but I would throw it out after 2. You might tape the cap closed just to keep others from trying to drink it. It is not really harmful but not intended for human consumption. It taste terrible! Very bitter and tends to cling to the palette."
I think, if I had a ten-gallon tank, I would dissolve half an ounce of the medication in that 8 oz bottle and administer it to the tank. Hope I scaled the math correctly. ;)

Yes you could probably freeze those accessories. You could leave them in the sun and weather too. Actually you could leave them in an aquarium with nothing else in it (no fish, snails or small critters) and the larvae would starve in a day.

Maybe I'm making treating too difficult. Just trying to point out that we do spread diseases through our equipment, if we are not careful. :)

All the best!
unc



um (none / 0) (#19)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:38:38 PM PST

ok... Make it work with the figures I provided... :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Re: um (none / 0) (#20)
by angelhologram on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:07:58 PM PST

5g treats 100gal and you have 46.8g so 48.6 divided by 5 = 9.36 or enough for 936gals. You could divide the medication into 9 parts giving you 5.2g portions which is slightly stronger than the recommended dosage and seal 8 of them in plastic for later use. Take the last 5.2g portion and dissolve it into 5oz of water. 1oz will treat just over 10gals (so use a little less than an oz when treating a 10gal with no gravel or decorations) or another option would be to take the 5.2g portion and dissolve it into 10oz of water and use about 1 3/4 oz to treat 10gals.
I think that's right?
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: your math (none / 1) (#7)
by fishchick on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 05:35:38 AM PST

You need to multiply it by 2.50.
Pesci Looni


Re: your math (none / 0) (#14)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:13:31 PM PST

Good point!

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Corrected math then, is (none / 0) (#15)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:15:12 PM PST

(185 * 1.5) * 2.5 = 693.75, or let's call it 695mg.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Re: Treating worms with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 1) (#1)
by angelhologram on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 05:09:03 PM PST

Umm Scott, Step 4 was dose your fish and Step 5 was wait a week or two. This is a little misleading. You may want to add Step 4.1 wait 24 hours Step 4.2 do a 100% water change then go on to Step 5. Otherwise people may think they are supposed to leave the stuff in there for 2 weeks.
Otherwise, great job and thanks for the input (and the site).
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~


Re: Treating worms with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 0) (#2)
by Scott Lockwood on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 05:26:54 PM PST

You mean you're not? :-) Seriously, how long DO you leave it in? That was something else I couldn't really nail down.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Re: Treating worms with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 0) (#4)
by wraith on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 09:17:03 PM PST

when I treated for this #@&*X disease I got my levimisole from inkmaker. I first did as big of a water change as I could. I then added levimisole. I wasn't sure what to do next so I emailed him for a few more instructions. He replied with "It depends on the stress of the fish. If they are handling the dead worms OK then wait 3 days and change the water. Retreat in 3 weeks."
The water change I did was about 50% as I didn't have enough pail space to season more. After the first treatment I did a water change every 3-4 days After the second treatment I did the same thing for another 3 weeks to get the rest of the levimisole out of the water.
As for the measurements, because I bought it from Inkmaker, it was already pre-measured for me, lucky me! Good thing because I lack both measuring utensils in my kitchen and math skills!

Good luck!


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Re: Treating worms with Levamisole Hydrochloride (none / 0) (#8)
by angelhologram on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 06:13:08 AM PST

I got mine from inkmaker also, here's a link to his article http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamallanusTreatment/CamallanusTreatment.pdf . I had planned to leave it in there for 24 hours the first treatment but wound up leaving it for 36. The second treatment was 2 weeks later and I only left it in for 20 hours as it was VERY stressful on my fish. You can read my article on it here. http://www.guppylog.com/story/2006/4/13/154914/763
Good luck and hope everything "comes out" okay.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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"Back when," Charles sent me some (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 02:45:39 PM PST

Flubendazole, when that was available. That was effective at 1/2 gram (500 milligrams) of Flubendazole per five gallons of water. He felt that a 1/4 teaspoon would effectively measure that 1/2 gram. So much for fancy, shmancy measuring equipment.

Could you get away with a slightly heaped 1/4 teaspoon with 625 milligrams or .625 of a gram of the Levamisole?

He also notes elsewhere that because anthelmintics don't dissolve real well, overdosing isn't very easy to do. So a little imprecision may be ok. (Maggie's fudge factor on commercial applications comes to mind too).

That casual comment about not being able to over dose, is a little inconsistent with the advice to do a 100% water change with seasoned water, so a residual doesn't build up. But I think absolute measurement isn't needed here, so long as we aren't letting the stuff accumulate through only partial water changes.

I have cautioned against 100% water changes usually, but IF this is an established tank and IF the gravel, filter media (just the biological media) and plants (?) have been there a few months and are not allowed to dry out, there shouldn't be a huge ammonia surge. Since the fish are being medicated, feeding is going to be more careful and modest anyway.

By the way, Charles also suggested "for a measure of economy", only putting half the water in a 10-gallon tank, so one didn't have to use as much of the treatment. (My response, of course, was Doh!) If there is an airstone or hard airline run in there to mix things up, it should be ok, assuming the room temperature is appropriate.

If available changing water is limited, that is another reason to scale down tank contents.

All the best!
unc

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Re: "Back when," (none / 0) (#10)
by angelhologram on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 02:52:25 PM PST

As to exact measurements I certainly didn't use any. I emptied the packet that he sent into an 8oz water bottle and half of that mixture was used to treat my 55gal (plus about 10gal in the wet/dry filter). The other half was used for the second treatment.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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