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By felix
from the Felix department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:28:50 PM PST
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Guppy Breeding/Fry Questions



Hi,

I have a few more guppy fry/breeding questions...

1) This is absolutely gross, but can a mother guppy deliver a baby while 'pooping'?

2) What do you recommend when it comes to fry tank water changes? I have a net breeder that I put guppy fry into, and it has accumulated some leftover food the baby guppies didn't eat, so my question is how clean do I need to keep this special area?

Thanks,

Felix

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Fry Questions | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Fry Questions (none / 0) (#10)
by guppylover1022 on Tue May 08, 2007 at 05:06:17 PM PST

Yes a guppy can poop while giving birth I saw it in a video. You can get the babies in a net and put them in a bowl while clean the Breed net.



Re: Fry Questions (none / 0) (#1)
by barnprincess81 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 10:35:52 PM PST

Hi Felix,

I clean out my net breeder everyday. I take the gravel off and just use the tubing to siphon out the bottom of the net. A straw or airline tubing also works, but I found it's faster and more effective to use the gravel vac tubing, I think it's 1/2 tubing. Check the dirty water for fry when your done, I've had a few take a ride but no one was hurt. The cleaner the better.



Re: Fry Questions (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:55:04 AM PST

Yep I agree, you need to get rid of the leftovers.

I don't know about the pooping whilst giving birth but an interesting question. Somehow I doubt that both could be done at once.
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Re: Fry Questions (none / 0) (#5)
by lomelindi on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:29:16 PM PST

I want to say that no, they couldn't.  As far as I can see, there is only one posterior opening in a fish, and that is the vent.  It's sorta.. multi-use.  And from what I know of human anatomy, openings can only be used for one thing at a time.

I imagine the intestines are closed off while giving birth, much as your soft palate raises to close off your nasal cavity while swallowing, or the way your epiglottis moves to cover your larynx during same.  If that didn't happen, food and liquid could end up in your lungs.

I'm fairly certain a similar system works in fish.  I can't imagine fishy poo would be a healthy thing for fry to be moving through, even for as often as my fish try to eat it.

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Re: Fry Questions (none / 0) (#3)
by New Guppy Momma on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 06:50:17 AM PST

Not at the same time but they can and I have seen them poop between fry. All the preasure in the area makes it possible I guess.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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barnprincess81's use of a straw or a narrow (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 08:52:09 AM PST

diameter siphon is a great idea. There are also some cheap pipettes which occasionally surface in  these "Dollar Store" types and Chicago Science and Surplus. (Google for the last one.) However. if you don't have a turkey baster, dedicated to the fish, it might be time to get one. :)

Barnprincess81 also wisely mentioned watching out for fry in the "out" container. Sooner or later that happens to all of us.

Someone with more sense than I, suggested using a light (white?) colored out bucket to dump water from tanks. That way one can see fry and other accidental refugees.

Now my out buckets are black (and sometimes used for other noxious tasks). The in buckets (also used for washing new and boiled gravel) are white and yellow. But I will use one for the fry areas, If it is dead baby brine shrimp I am removing, the empty bucket will sometimes be left in the sun or bleached and dechlorinated, because that gunk in fry tanks can be bacteria and parasite rich.

Miskairal's and NGM's response to your other question, made me think about your other question. A lot of creatures have the birthing canal near the intestinal outlet. Even humans close to giving birth, will often have to consult with a toilet.
I guess birthing, for many creatures, can be a pretty messy process.

A fry may also get briefly entangled if the mother guppy is "constipated". Constipation (unlike the definition some college mates gave of where a guppy swims up to a plant, grabs hold with the pectoral fins and strains a lot) is where feces hang or trail from the guppy. Maybe increasing the content of brine shrimp or Daphnia (with their shells) or of vegetable bulk with veggie flakes or the crushed insides of cooked peas, will help break those strings up and facilitate the elimination process for guppies.

Yours was an unusual question. But is very legitimate.

It is always interesting to get a question which both is brand-new to Guppylog and a bit of a "stumper". You certainly had me pondering that while running errands and attending a meeting last night. Thanks!

And without M's and B's suggestions above, I never would have hit on anything.

ATB!
unc

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Ahhh, a Turkey Baster!!! (none / 0) (#6)
by barnprincess81 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 06:44:41 PM PST

I never thought of that, that would work very nicely! I'm all for anything to avoid siphoning. I'm in the siphon challenged department, I'll never forget my first experience siphoning a tank, after quite a few tries my hubby suggested "maybe you have to suck on it to get it started" I don't recommend this technique, thank goodness for listerine!! Thanks for the idea Unlce Scott!

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Re: Ahhh, a Turkey Baster!!! (none / 0) (#8)
by angelhologram on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 07:03:14 AM PST

I use airline tubing to siphon it out. I learned a while ago to use a long piece rather than short as you do indeed have to suck start it. Another great way to control leftover food is put some snails (ramshorns or pond snails) in there. They don't hurt the fry and clean up any dead ones or leftovers.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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The snail poop is less nasty than the left (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 07:49:01 AM PST

over food (or fish pieces). Still it needs to be removed. The flower beds say thanks.

ATB!
unc

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I'd love to claim credit for that, but Innes' book (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 12:36:12 AM PST

recommends them 75 years ago. :)

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