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When is the time???

Breeding
By guppity
from the Paul department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:31:32 PM PST
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Hello.
         



        I have a 2.5 gallon tank with 2 females and 1 male. I have had them  for six days, 8 hours, 45 minutes and they are doing great. The 2 females have been pregnant since the second day I got them. But my question is "When should I get the fry nursery before so, I will have time to sterilize the water with this new safe de-chlorinater and should I put any substrate (gravel) in or just leave them in a plain plastic nursery?
        Please respond with your useful comments,
                  Guppity
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When is the time??? | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: When is the time??? (none / 1) (#9)
by Nancy4Fishes on Mon Apr 24, 2006 at 06:19:37 PM PST

   ok everyone, we were all new too. lets try and be cool about this...

   guppity, do you have a filter? a heater? a tank thermometer? how LONG did you cycle your tank? 1 week? 2 weeks? more?

   and, by what STRAIN, US meant, what BREED are you guppies? if you haven't got a clue, what color is your male? what patterns does he have and where are the patterns on his body?

   a fry is, basically, a baby fish. although guppies DO start out as eggs, the egss hatch INSIDE the mothers body. then, the mother gives birth to live fry.

   you said your females got the gravid spot on day 2, near their gills? the gravid spot should NOT be near their gills. it should be right above the anal fin. don't know what that is? it is the fin right next to where the poop comes out. the gravid spot really just means that the guppy is a FEMALE, not pregnant. all females have one, at a very early age. the gravid spot gets larger/darker during a pregnancy because it is the fry's EYES that are developing, while the fry are still in the egg sac.

   like US asked before, were these females kept with the females at the store? iun the same tank?

   PLEASE be sure to answer ALL of these questions, guppity. they are very important if you want us to help you.



Re: When is the time??? (none / 0) (#2)
by lomelindi on Sat Apr 22, 2006 at 06:37:41 PM PST

What do you mean by nursery, guppity?  If you are referring to one of those plastic boxes that hangs inside tanks, then you should absolutely not put it in that little tank.  You're pushing the safety level by having those three fish in the little tank, and no more should be allowed to spend too much more time in it.

However, if you're getting a second tank for the fry, then basically suit yourself with the gravel.  Fry are generally smart enough to not go burrowing in any sort of gravel, and if they do, it generally means they're dying anyway.  So feel free to put some in.

I would suggest buying the second tank, if that is what you are referring to, as soon as possible so the water can get cycling before you put any new fish in it.  Try using some of the gravel from your current tank, and when you fill the "nursery," use about half of the water in your 2.5 gallon to start with.  I'm worried that you might not have cycled the 2.5 gallon, but if you're off the hook and the fish are fine, make sure you don't take the same chance with the guppy babies.

A good rule of thumb to remember is that each guppy fry should be allowed the one gallon that its adult self will be allowed to grow in.  That means if your guppies each drop ten fry, you'll need about ten gallons per pregnant female once her offspring all grow up, assuming they survive.  You see why guppy-rearing is a rapidly expanding hobby?

The same goes for your 2.5 gallon.  Each of those fish should technically have a gallon, and remember that the 2.5 measurement is before any substrate, decorations, or plants are added.  As long as you keep up with the water changes, you might be able to keep up with it.

Either way, good luck and welcome to Guppylog!  Let us know how you get on.



Re: When is the time??? (none / 0) (#4)
by guppity on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 10:32:07 AM PST

I meant one of the plastic boxes that you said were bad and could kill them.I was wondering what was wrong with them.can you reply?I also no that the cycleing for the tank is fine because, the lady working at Petco said it was fine. The fish look fine in the 2.5 but, I want to know how much space each fish needs? Also I wanted to ask if you can see the fish eggs once they are dropped or shoiuld I put the mom in the other tank before she drops the eggs? I think you also could help me with this, I know that the fish is pregnant for 21-26 days but how long is it for the eggs to hatch?
                      Please reply,
guppity
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Re: When is the time??? (none / 0) (#6)
by miskairal on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 05:36:00 PM PST

guppity you really need to read through some of the stuff in Immediate Help. Keeping fish is not as simple as we think when we first get them. Guppies don't lay eggs, they are livebearers and drop fry (itty bitty babies).

The general rule of thumb is an inch of fish per US gallon of water. In your tiny tank at most you should have 1 adult male and 1 adult female but you should also have a ratio of 1 male to 2 females so really your tank is just not suitable for guppies, especially once they start having fry.

A guppy is pregnant for around 30 days depending on outside influences such as water temperature and stress.

All female guppies have a gravid spot, the dark spot near the anal fin, regardless of whether or not they are pregnant. In my opinion the only way you can tell if a guppy is heavily pregnant is if you know how big the gravid spot and belly are on that fish when she is not heavily pregnant.

When you have had time to read a lot of the Immediate Help articles, then come back to use with more questions, Ok?
--
Repeat after me,
I will read the Immediate Help
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Ha! This is redundant after Miskairal's thoughts. (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Mon Apr 24, 2006 at 01:01:09 PM PST

But it was one of those situations where one is wise to sit on the initial comment, cool off and then rewrite it the next day. :)

Guppity, I'm trying to not be too nasty to you,
because I'm sure you mean well. But I don't know if any other GL letter has set me off so, pacing the house and grumbling about young people who will not look anything up. Hopefully I am wrong on that.

But you still asked what was wrong with the little plastic boxes of death, which means you declined to look at the thread on them, which was given you when the URL and link was offered.

If your ammonia test kit doesn't show a high level of ammonia yet, that is terrific. However that doesn't mean that it will not climb to a near lethal level in the near future. Ammonia and some other poisons are clear. You will not see it in the water.

If your Petco lady is telling you that your tank is fine and your tank cycled within a week (as opposed to several weeks to even two months) then she is either willfully lying to you (just to make a fast sale) or she is profoundly ignorent of what cycling an aquarium is all about. You can not have looked at any of the Immediate Help section items which, I nearly begged you to read. Your Petco lady has either never read a chapter in a fish book on cycling tanks or she has never understood it.

If you don't believe me, read the stuff in Immediate Help on

New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing,

Breeding,

Pregnancy and Birth.

 Go to a big bookstore and buy the May issue of Practical Fishkeeping, pay 8 bucks (or have a coffee) and read their article on fish-less cycling. It is almost as good as Angelhologram's in IH! ;)

In fact, while at their web site, register and read the article section on Basic Fishkeeping advice. http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/home.php

If you think we am feeding you a line, go to any reliable search engine and do a search for "Cycling an Aquarium" or "aquarium cycling." Compare what you find with there with what we have here and what your Petco lady is saying.

You also speak of guppies dropping eggs. Do you mean fry? Guppies are livebearers. (If a female is moved roughly close to dropping and she actually drops eggs, she will have been so seriously injured that she is leaking eggs, she will probably never give birth again). Guppies give birth (or drop) living, swimming young. They are not egglayers. Again one wonders if you have read much on them. Feel free to use the Google search here, looking for Guppy Books. Several are recommended and how you can use them without spending much money, is explored.

All the best,
uncle scott

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Re: cool off and then rewrite it (none / 0) (#8)
by miskairal on Mon Apr 24, 2006 at 04:34:37 PM PST

Nice to know it's not just me having trouble holding my tongue round here lately unc.
--
Repeat after me,
I will read the Immediate Help
[ Parent ]


Re: cool off and then rewrite it (none / 0) (#10)
by angelhologram on Tue May 16, 2006 at 03:55:52 PM PST

I'm bookmarking this page so that anytime things get too frustrating at the new job I can come back and re-read this and know there are other non-idiots in the world that would be frustrated too.
I love my GL e-family!
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Guppity, I'm glad that you are delighted (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Sat Apr 22, 2006 at 06:33:16 PM PST

as you seem with your new guppies! What strain are they?

I also have crammed a trio of new guppies into a 2.5-gallon aquarium, until I could get them bigger quarters. Would you please go to the Google search engine within Guppylog and search for tank size?

I really want to applaud you for asking what you should do about fry BEFORE they arrived. More of us need to do that when beginning (or continuing) the hobby. :)

In Immediate Help and, as soon as time permits, please read through the sections on

New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing
Breedings
Pregnancy and Birth
Fry Diet and Safety

It is important for you to be familiar with what cycling an aquarium is. Where is you tank in that process? Many fish are great after a week, but not quite as tip-top later if the tank is not under control chemically. And small aquariums are particularly vulnerable to problems.

Why do you think your females have been pregnant since the second day you have had them? More to the point, were they kept with males before you purchased them. :)

Dechlorinators do not sterilize the water. They remove the sterilizing chlorine (which kills foreign life including guppies.) Does your tap water have chlorine or chlorine and ammonia (=chloramine)? Knowing that will determine if you need a dechlorinator and which type of water conditioner you should use and that also is a matter of life and death.

Tomorrow is Sunday and you may only be able to ask your pet shop or neighbors what your water department puts in the water. If you are an American, you should be able to call up your municipal water department (if you have one) and ask for the periodic report they are supposed to send to the EPA and make available to citizens. (One of those "your tax dollars at work" sort of thing.)

If they put in chloramine and you just treat for chlorine, that can be serious trouble when the dechlorinator releases a big ammonia surge. Also, have you accumulated a couple water jugs (gallon?) in which you can season treated water for a week before adding it to a tank? (See seasoning water.)

That may sound unfair to ask of a new aquarist, But why not start off right? It doesn't seem fair to tell people these things only after a month or three.

Gravel is somewhat unusual in a small tank, but it can be a help as and after the tank is cycled. Do you have a friend who has a healthy aquarium and could help you seed your tank (with beneficial bacteria) by giving you a couple of handfuls of gravel (put in a bag and taken home to your tank wet). I wouldn't get that gravel from a petshop, unless conditions become really desperate, because so many diseases flow through ships with the fish.

The plain, small plastic birthing boxes (a serious racket) are sometimes called the Plastic Box 'o Death. You may have referred to a larger plastic box and that might change the conversation if it is a five or seven gallon sweater box. Check out the thread pretty much by that name under Breeding in Immediate Help. If you want a rant on that, search for plastic breeding boxes with that Google thing.

I purposely haven't directly answered your questions and several implied questions. But if you answer mine, you will be on the way to answering several of them and we may be better able to respond to you in the future.

And your guppies will thank you. :)

All the best!
uncle scott



Re: Guppity, I'm glad that you are delighted (none / 0) (#5)
by guppity on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 10:49:12 AM PST

The problem was I left out alot of stuff in my log entry. I dont know what strain means.I know my females were pregnant since day 2 because,they both had the spot by the gillwhich is the eye of the fry. I know my tank is in a good start because the worker at Petco said, the cycling is good but I left out that my de-chlorinator cleans out nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, cloramines, and chlorine.I also know that my water is delivered fresh and clean from all those parasites and things.
             Please help me too be succesful like you,
guppity
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In response to your poll, if you put a holding or (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Sat Apr 22, 2006 at 06:46:53 PM PST

breeding net in a ten or twenty-gallon aquarium, I don't think that is bad for the fry. It doesn't make the aquarium more attractive, but for those of us who want to watch the fry and their growth it may make it more interesting.

If you are using a smaller aquarium and a breeding net, you may want to ask how interesting stunted, possibly disease fry are? If you use one of those plastic breeding boxes with a often useless V in it, you have to ask how attractive a female, dead of shock or suffocation or how attractive the sometimes dead or dying fry may be.

Your 2.5-gallon tank IS the minimal fry tank! For better growth your fry need bigger quarters, unless you plan on 40% partial water changes (with seasoned water) every couple of days, while using a sponge or box filter.

This may sound mean spirited and I'm sorry if it does. We often don't have the budget to do elaborate things with fish. But keeping your guppies and fry in that tank is a little analogous to trying to keep a collie in a one bed-room apartment, with no yard. ;)

Still meaning all the best!
uncle scott

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