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yes, i know this isn't a betta site, but i'm really unsure about this...

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By Nancy4Fishes
from the Nancy4Fishes department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:30:14 PM PST
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  i have decided to get a betta. i've been reading up on them beforehand, but different sources say different things.



some sites say filter is manditory, and is a must to keep your betta alive. the 2.5 gal kit i plan to buy comes with a mini filter, tho, so i guess i'm getting one.

  one of the main things i'm puzzled about is temp. about half of the sites i've skimmed through say that a heater is a must, because a betta needs a tank temp of 78-82 d. farenheit. is this truly necessary? i lnow alot of ppl keep bettas without the heater, but are these bettas healthy/happy?

  and lastly, space. i'm aware that many bettas are kept in death traps like those little "betta bowls" that hold about as much water as a paper cup. i was planing on a 2.5 gal, but a couple sites say that a tank OVER 5 gals is a must. my tank that i keep for breeding mollies is a 10 gal. all of the sites say that male bettas may be kept with any fish that does not resemble another betta. none of my mollies are sailfin, so i'm slightly wondering if i should put my betta with my mollies? i'm still worried about that, though, and it sort of sounds like a bad idea to me.

  and, on the side, my molly is 1 week away from dropping! i'm a little worried that she is sterile, though. she hasn't shown any signs of this, (are there any signs?) but i guess it's sort of grandma syndrome, where the granny worries about her daughter's first delivery. not that i count myself as my fish's grandmother, but you get it.  

 and please look at my poll.

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yes, i know this isn't a betta site, but i'm really unsure about this... | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
oh yeah.... (none / 0) (#10)
by Nancy4Fishes on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 11:49:54 AM PST

oh, and if i can tell gender earlier, which i probably will, i'll segregate then.



i have decided against the betta, for now. (none / 0) (#9)
by Nancy4Fishes on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 11:47:49 AM PST

 
  i have decided that i will get a 5 gal for either my room or the computer room, i'm still unsure.

  in my science room, with the 5 gal that my next batch of fry will go to, there is one of those junior/mini heaters, meant for a 5 gal. the temp seems perfect in there. it doesn't fluctuate like crazy, either.

  in the 5 gal to be, i'm going to keep the male. it could be like his bachelor pad, until the kiddies move in.

  this is sort of my seating chart that i've worked out (for the fry):

  batch #1: stays in net breeder in 10 gal that the mother lives in until 1 week old, then moved to the school's empty 5 gal.

  batch #2: kept in net breeder in 10 gal with
mother until next batch(age 1 month).

 batch #3: batch 2 moved to 5 gal with dad, #3 put into net breeder in 10 gal until NEXT batch.

 batch #4: batch 2 females moved to 10 gal tank with mother, males stay with dad. #3 move in with
dad as well. #4 in net breeder like previous batches, until #5.

#5: batch 2 stays where they are, until sold to LFS. #3 females move with mom, males stay with dad. #4 moves in with dad and other males. #5 moves into net breeder in the female 10 gal.

   *number 6 should be last batch from insemination*

 #6: #2 should be out of house and in with new owners. #3 stays where they are until sold to LFS. #4 separated by gender. #5 moves in with dad. #6 goes into net breeder.

 PHEW! its a good thing i have small parent fishies who will most likely only have 6 the first batch, and have 50% more fry each batch. after semen packets are out, i'll most likely retire the mother from breeding. each month a batch will go to lFS, which is actually an hour away but the tanks are imaculate. before #6 levaes, i'll probably select a female or two for breeding. it all depends though. i might be worn out by then. ;)



Re: yes, i know this isn't a betta site, but i'm r (none / 0) (#4)
by lomelindi on Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 08:53:52 PM PST

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this... DO NOT put a heater in that tank.  Heating anything under ten gallons is very, very tricky and actually dangerous.  You are liable to flash-boil your poor fish with that little water! As long as the room in which your tank will be staying is room temperature, you shouldn't need a heater.  I have five- and ten-gallon tanks with no heaters and they always stay right at the temperature they should be.  Unless you have a particularly cool room, there's no reason to worry about that.  For peace of mind, just put a cheap thermometer in with the betta, and keep an eye on it.  If it gets too cold or too warm, you're likely gonna notice that the room itself is actually too warm or too cold, and you can adjust accordingly.  Also, he'll probably enjoy messing with it. :)

I agree with Scott however.  Even though he might not attack your mollies, he'll definitely munch up your fry with no hesitation.  If you want to make your betta happy, you may consider putting his tank next to the molly tank.  Bettas -love- to watch other fish, especially other bettas.  It keeps them from being lonely and bored.

The setup you're describing is ideal for a betta.  They can be kept happy in even less than a gallon with strenuous water changes, but you don't want that.  Just remember that you don't need to save aside water each time you change a betta tank.  They're very tolerant of dodgy water conditions.  After all, wild bettas live in what equates to big mud puddles, flopping along the ground from puddle to puddle when food is scarce!

A betta can certainly be happy in more than two gallons, but also consider that they don't like waterfall-type filters.  They are very weak swimmers, and the less the water is disturbed in its filtration, the better.  Go ahead with your plans, and feel good knowing that you are doing more for your betta than most people do with their tiny bowls and miniscule plastic 1/8-gallon double betta holders.



Re: yes, i know this isn't a betta site, but i'm r (none / 0) (#5)
by Jaymi on Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 09:42:26 PM PST

Actually, there are "Junior Heaters" that are made for 2-5 gallon tanks. I've used them before, and they work pretty well.

They cost about $7 at walmart.

Less than a gallon is a bad idea, but it can be done.

I've had bettas to live in temporary homes under a gallon (but NEVER under a half gallon), but I changed the water at least every other day (usually every day), and I didn't leave them there very long.
Small tanks make me nervous.

Bettas are good jumpers, so make sure your tank is well covered.

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Would one need some sort of water movement (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 12:01:13 AM PST

with those junior heaters? Would a modest flow from an airstone work?

Another trick of the trade is to float pint (?) jars in a ten-gallon aquarium. An airstone moves the water. A submersible heater is on the bottom of the tank.

I discovered that submersible heaters are a good idea in schools where that one in 150 students will otherwise want to give the heater dial a spin. Those heaters are probably a little more expensive, but they usually last a lot longer.

My daughter's Betta (the one she rescued from Wally's World last fall and then decided that her dorm room was way too cold for it) resides in a covered bowl on the glass above my only heated tank - a 15-gallon. Miskairal gave me the idea that such an arrangement would keep the bowl on top pretty warm. I try to do a 100% water change out of that tank into that bowl weekly. (The tank gets a 35% weekly partial change.)

All the best!
unc

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Re: Would one need some sort of water movement (none / 0) (#8)
by Jaymi on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 06:38:47 AM PST

It depends. With a 2 gallon tank, you probably wouldn't, but anything above that you probably would.

Bettas like still water, so you want to use the least amount of circulation you can get away with.

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Re: Would one need some sort of water movement (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 01:37:01 AM PST

I have a short heater that is 50W and have not had problems with it in my 14 litre quarantine/fry tank. Right now it is in a bucket with a sea cucumber though :)
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well, what about this? (none / 0) (#3)
by Nancy4Fishes on Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 02:01:33 PM PST

 what if, instead of having a betta tank in the kitchen, i had a 5 gal with my molly male in there? he pretty much never leaves my female alone, and it has to be hard on her. i'm afraid to get another female, because i don't have a QT. if i do get another female, it will be in the summer, when shipping is less stressful (the fish has to be shipped to the shop). i could even keep the fry males in there with him.



Re: yes, i know this isn't a betta site, but i'm r (none / 0) (#2)
by Jaymi on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 12:22:19 PM PST

I have several Bettas. :)

They need at least a gallon, but is best to have at least 2 gallons if you want to avoid ALOT of water changes.

The filter isn't absolutely necessary, but it is nice to have. Bettas don't create a whole lot of ammonia, and are capable of breathing air from the surface. With enough water changes it is fine to go without the filter.

My only filtered betta tank is my 10 gallon female tank. (five females in the tank)

Never keep 2-3 females in a tank together. You need at least 4, or just one.

Never keep any more than ONE male together, or they will fight to the death. (there are exceptions to this, but you should NEVER put two males together)

Temperature is the tough one. It all depends on what your betta is used to. I have one that has lived for four years at 68-72 degrees, so I'm afraid to give him a heater because of the shock that could cause.

As long as you stay above 70, your betta should be ok, but above 75 is best. The most important thing is that the temperature stays stable.

Bettas are some of the easiest fish to keep, because they don't require much.

Good luck with yours!



Yes, if it was temporary. Temperature needs (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 08:58:16 AM PST

would be about the same. Of course, I probably would have a very well fed Betta unless I put a ton of hornwort and Java moss in there. ;)

ATB!
unc



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