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Results of treatment
By angelhologram from the Shell department, Section Diaries Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:30:14 PM PST Tags: (all tags)

I did the second treatment of Levamisole a couple of days ago and here is what I have noticed.

First I should say that I did see any sign of worms after the first treatment and so the second was precautionary. When I did the first treatment 2 of my female gups and my swordtail dropped within 48hrs. I didn't think anything of it as I knew the females were close anyway. I only found 2 sword fry so I assumed the rest had been eaten. When I did the second treatment one of my gups dropped and most of the fry were obviously premature. I don't think this is a coincidence as the female sword never got skinnier and is in fact so plump now that she looks to be about a week away from dropping. I never saw eyes before her last drop (I can usually see them right before a drop as I had mentioned in an earlier diary) and now they are quite evident. The Levamisole seems to be hard on all the fish and I think that maybe the stress brought on these drops.
All the fish were much more stressed by the second treatment than they were by the first with most lethargic and irritable before the 24 hours were up. My males all have shredded tails now which I at first thought might be from the chemicals until I noted how much fighting was going on in my tanks. It's been brutal! After the 24 hours and 100% water change most seemd to perk back up and get along with each other again with the exception of 2 females and one male. One female that had dropped just before 2nd treatment and the one that dropped during. The male is one that was on the recieving end of more nips than the others. Both of the females have red splotches in the abdomen area which I am assuming are septicema and one has developed mouth fungus. Both of these conditions are normally caused by bad water conditions but I'm very faithful on my water changes and I had cut back on feeding fom my usual 3 small feeds to just once a day during treatment as they didn't seem as hungry when they were stressed. The two 100% water changes I've done in the past 2 weeks have effected my cycle a bit but right now the only one that concerns me is the PH. Here's the readings today(55gal):
Ammonia - between 0 and .25
NitrIte - 0
NitrAte - 5.0
PH - reads at 7.6 but that's as high as the test goes (note to self: get high range PH test kit)

Now on to something else I've found in my tank that is troubling me. As I was doing the last 100% water change, and by the way the gravel was vacuumed well both times with subsequent vacuuming for a few days afterwards, I found some dark colored worm (caterpiller?) things. The largest one is about 1/4 inch and upon VERY close inspection they seem to have hairs and segmented bodies. The majority of them was found in the creases of the fry nets. Although as I stated before I'm careful about not overfeeding in my tank I have been somewhat slacking about siphoning the bottom of the nets so there has been some food down there. I think that is why theye are there and I've since been paying more attention to getting rid of excess food in there as well but my question is what are they and are they harmful or just ugly?
Feedback please.

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Results of treatment | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

(Comment Deleted) (none / 0) (#12)
by spamming_asshat on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 07:12:17 PM PST

This comment has been deleted by unclescott

Re: Results of treatment (none / 0) (#10)
by angelhologram on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 06:12:17 AM PST

I just noticed this is misleading, the second treatment was left in for only 20 hours, not the full 24.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~

Re: Results of treatment (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 03:15:29 AM PST

Hey angel, I can't find your "caterpillars" in my book :(

I will however add this to the camallanus section in Immediate Help.

You ought to see what I found in my saltwater tank today
SlugThing
Turns out it's a seacucumber. Things I've learnt about them tonight are

They eat sand, utilize detritus and poop out clean sand
Can kill all my fish by releasing toxins if they manage to find their way into a pump impellar and get mangled
You can tell they are alive by watching their anus open and close - their gills are near their anus and this is how they "breathe"

You've got to be grinning now!

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Re: Results of treatment (none / 0) (#3)
by angelhologram on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 09:25:36 AM PST

They breath through their butts? There are so many comments to be made on that but I'll be good lol.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: Results of treatment (none / 0) (#5)
by miskairal on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 01:27:42 PM PST

So we are both good for the moment :)

I did a bit of a google for your caterpillar things but that's not an easy search - too much stuff about butterflies mixed in.
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Re: Results of treatment (none / 0) (#1)
by New Guppy Momma on Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 05:54:52 PM PST

I don't know what the worm things are but I hope you can get rid of them. I'm personally having a problem with ants. I have no idea how they are even getting in my house but they are swarming around my 10 gallon tank. They climb up the side I think they are trying to get a drink. Then they fall in and can't get back out because of the filter overflow current. I scoop out at least 5 dead ants/day. I also hope my fish aren't eating them.
Also good luck on all your fishies. I hope they get better.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)

There are also a lot of bristleworms which will (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 09:10:58 AM PST

be a part of the fauna found in with live rock. Some people find those detrivores (and scavengers and carnivores a pest and even try to trap them. They are also called fire worms and can inflict a nasty wound. There are freshwater bristleworms too, though they are usually in the muck at the bottom of bodies of water and missed by researchers. If that is what you have Angel, get it out using a turkey baster or something where you don't have to touch it.

If that critter is indeed a sea cucumber, it can "clean" your water. And as you note, if threatened it can turn it's stomach inside out. Certainly a toxic defensive weapon on the reef, which doesn't work in an aquarium!

I'm sorry to hear that the second treatment was so rough on the fish. Maybe that treatment should be at a greater interval from the first and of a shorter duration.

All the best!
unc

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Re: Sea cucumber (none / 0) (#9)
by miskairal on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 01:54:02 AM PST

I found the sea cucumber sucked onto a tunze pump yesterday morning, not mangled, just attached to the grill (naughty cuke!) so it spent the night in a jug in my sump and this morning it appears to have done the gut spewing thing. I think it ditched it's Cuvierian tubules as there were strings of very sticky white things in with it. It's now in a much bigger bucket (with sand, liverock, heater, air pump) while I await some feedback from a reef forum on what to do next. I am NOT risking hundreds of dollars worth of fish for it.

Sorry to change the topic angel.
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Re: There are also (none / 0) (#7)
by angelhologram on Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 08:34:55 PM PST

Well, we live and learn and hopefully it can help out someone else in the future.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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By the way, I think one of the freshwater (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 12:16:52 AM PST

bristleworm articles was associated with research from either Florida's St. Johns River or the Indian River Lagoon. Watch your toes. ;)

ATB!
unc

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