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By Jaymi
from the Jaymi department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:31:50 PM PST
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Sorry this doesn't have much to do with guppies.

My sister just got a new 5 gallon tank for her birthday and I was wondering what would be a good fish load.



She would need something relatively easy to take care of, because these are her first fish.

I was thinking white cloud minnows might be good, but I've never had them before, so I might be wrong.

I'll help her take care of her tank, but since it will mainly be up to her, it will have to be pretty simple.

Could you suggest some fish that would do well in a 5 gallon hex tank with a novice fishkeeper?

She will probably want something pretty that she can have more than one of.

I know she likes my guppies. Would a trio of males be good for that size tank?

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Fish load question | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Fish load question (none / 0) (#9)
by J-ME on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 04:01:57 PM PST

I have 3 mollies, one white cloud, 2 gold fish and 1 feamle guppy in a 10 gal. tank and they seem to do good.  The guppies and the white cloud are very well calm fish and I like them the best.  My 2 gold fish like to swim really fast and chase the others around (livly bunch).  I would have to say guppies, mollies, or white clouds or all would be a good idea, but becareful they breed like bunnies....   :-)

Good luck to your sis and happy birthday
J-ME
Happy fish keeping :-)



Re: Fish load question (none / 0) (#10)
by miskairal on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 10:55:42 PM PST

I have to disagree here J-ME as goldfish are coldwater fish and the others are all tropical. I would also think that goldfish would eventually eat the others once they got big enough.
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Re: Fish load question (none / 0) (#6)
by Nancy4Fishes on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:18:50 PM PST

a trio in a 5 gal? really? i mean, that would be all right? i was just thinking two might do better, but i think you guys have more expierience than i do.



Re: Fish load question (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 02:00:07 PM PST

Males tend to be smaller than females, they are mostly fin. They are slimmer as well as shorter. Providing water changes were kept up weekly, the tank was cycled properly and they weren't overfed, I can't see there would be a problem.
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Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 08:01:31 AM PST

A few white clouds would work in that tank. They are a semi-temperate fish and will not need a heater. They can suffer in the summer from too much heat though.

Also, I am not too sure (it has been a long time) if they will feed off of the tank bottom. In time you may want to introduce some pond snails or a Cory or two.

A trio of guppies would probably be ok, if the temperatures range 75-80. Small aquaria are more likely to overheat. And the two of you might want to talk about what is to be done with baby guppies, before they are dropped.

For some background on white clouds, there is a snippet in http://www.guppylog.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2006/2/25/191055/850

If I were you, I would start her tank by filling it 1/2 way with tap water, treating it and letting it sit for a few days. Maybe put an airstone on it. (But you knew that.)

In the meantime could you put a sponge filter or box filter in one of your other tanks? Get that baby started!

When set-up time comes, fill the tank up the rest of the way with water from your healthiest tank. Bring over the filter, wet. Maybe put it in a bag or bucket so as to not drop water on the floor. If the bucket is a household bucket, carry the filter over it. ;)

Set it up and let it run. Please then, put some gravel (sift any gunk out with a net) from that healthy tank.

At this point you might want to go with fish-less cycling. Take a look again at http://www.guppylog.com/story/2006/2/19/1538/39830

That would be a low stress way to train her to use test kits. By the way, she can do much of her own work, but I would have an older person supervise water changes up to maybe even junior high age aquarists. Water can be spilled too easily on an outlet wire or a plugged in heater can be too easily left out of the water.

I'm sure that is only a general rule. There are kids younger than junior high responsible enough to do a lot of things very well, but I still would be very careful with kids around anything involving water and electrical connections.

When the fish-less cycling is done, get 3-4 white clouds. When the ammonia cycle has settled down, maybe add a 1 or 2 small Corys or a few pond snails. I don't know about that last Cory addition, a five-gallon tank isn't very big. Hexagonal aquariums are very attractive, but have less surface area (especially in proportion to total gallons) than most rectangular aquaria.

I would go for a little more than an inch of fish per gallon. By the way, (for the benefit of lurkers) larger, heavier fish need more space than that rule suggests. A pond book suggested one inch of goldfish per three gallons of water (maximum - monitored as they grow). Another book suggested a maximum of 1" of goldfish per square foot of surface. That same book felt that the maximum Koi density was to be 1/2 inch of fish per square foot of water surface.

Aren't you glad you are considering white clouds or guppies or one Betta or one paradise fish or maybe a pair of small livebearers or small killies. :)

If a light (and maybe plants) is/are put on that tank, make sure that there is a way for heat to rise from the tank. I would make sure there were plants around the sides of the tank or at least a partial cover along the top sides, if possible. If fish jump, they do so most often when they get to an obstacle, such as an aquarium side.

I had heard that white clouds (true minnows or Cyprinids) were easy to spawn and set some up in an old half barrel in our back yard. A couple of water hyacinths were planted in there. (Before any fish went in, I lined the bottom with a little, very old, composted cattle manure. Aquarium water followed. It was all allowed to settle.) Later a breeding sized trio (1 male 2 females) of white clouds was acclimated to that (20-gal?) barrel. The plants went crazy and there were obviously small fry all over. I didn't feed them much, trusting to mother nature to care for their needs. (Silly me.)

With the rapidly multiplying plants, wind, and just a few small fish, I didn't see a need for a filter. One day, a record (for us) of 8 water hyacinths bloomed. They were gorgeous!

In the fall, the barrel was drained. Plants were vigorously drained and the water allowed to settle. To my dismay, I found only about 8-9 fairly good-sized white clouds. Not many fry grew up to become adults. Most of them must have been eaten, probably by larger siblings.

Next time I try a breeding barrel "out back," they will be better fed, (maybe more flakes and a few mosquito larvae or Daphnia). I should do a census a couple of times to see how everyone is doing.

Good luck and all the best!
uncle scott



Re: Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 0) (#2)
by Jaymi on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 02:06:26 PM PST

She is 14, and I'm pretty sure she can handle it after I show her how, I just think it is better safe than sorry. (if she is really bad, I don't mind tanking over, whats one more tank?)

I rinsed her gravel out really good, and put it in a one of a pair of knee high tights (to keep it from getting mixed with my gravel), and it is soaking in one of my tanks right now. The filter is part of the lid to her tank, so I can't let it run in one of mine, but I did take out the cartrige, and I'm letting it soak in one of my tanks. Better than nothing.

Choosing the fish will be up to her, unfortunately. But I will be there to make suggestions, and keep her from doing anything stupid. (like getting a baby oscar for that tank)


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Re: Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 2) (#3)
by Nancy4Fishes on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 06:10:39 PM PST

i dont think 3 males would be a good idea as a start, but maybe 1 or 2 in a 5 gal would do all right, seeing as obviously there would be no fry. i've heard a few stories of white clouds going ballistic in hex 5 gallons, and my friend, who is a fish fanatic and very knowledgible, had white clouds who caught a very strange disease, all at once, 3months after she got them.

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Re: Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 0) (#4)
by miskairal on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:27:29 AM PST

Jaymi I think a trio of males would be lovely as I'm sure you don't want them breeding. An all male tank looks great and I have never had problems with them.

One thing about the guppies is that they are so calm and not much seems to stress them as far as human activites around a tank goes. If they are anything like mine they will come and nibble on your hand or arm while you are doing a water change which might appeal to your sister.

I know nothing at all about the white clouds so can't help you there.
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Re: Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 0) (#5)
by angelhologram on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 05:38:26 AM PST

I agree with Misk about the trio of males. Also could you take the cartridge from your tank and sit it in hers when you set it up?
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: Hey Jaymi! Happy birthday to your sister! (none / 0) (#8)
by miskairal on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 02:06:59 PM PST

Even plastic plants can help. I have a small plastic plant here that has gone from tank to tank so many times. Even the tights you put the gravel in will help so don't discard them straight away either - could they be popped up in the hood in the filter setup for a few weeks after you remove the gravel?
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