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By britsteiner
from the britsteiner department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:03:12 PM PST
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I've recently inherited a tank-load of guppies from my dad, and I'm wondering about the behavior of some of the males.



My dad bestowed upon me his ten gallon that was (is) overflowing with guppies, since I digg gupps, they are quite beautiful, and my mum was threatening to launch the whole thing out into the yard! Ok, she threatened, but I think it was just some motivation for my dad to go back to breeding angelfish (which he's much more enthusiastic about anyway.)

I brought the ten gal home half full of water and entirely full of fish two days ago. My dad couldn't keep up with the guppies and kept feeding them waaaay too many flakes (despite my suggestions to lighten up) and so the water was more sludge than anything else. I didn't want to super shock the poor fishes, so I used water from my community tank to fill the new tank up on my counter. So the gupps spent the night in 50% old water and 50% destination tank water.

Yesterday, I scooped and separated the fish into bowls and dismantled their tank to scrub all of the algae and slime out of it. After setting the little tank up, I then proceeded to divide the new fish up:
  • adult males that I want to keep were moved to the large community tank
  • adult females that I wanted to keep went into the breeder tank
  • the remaining fish along with some of my own juveniles went into the now clean inherited ten gal, where they are destined to be traded to my LFS or given away, hopefully in a week or so. This includes new females/males/fry, and a few of my own females/males/fry. Mixed tank.

So I've been watching the new tank configurations (especially the wicked dark purple guppies I bought recently that I haven't mentioned elsewhere), just to see that the transition went smoothly. Females in breeder tank are happy, the oodles of fish in the ten gal are happy, but the new males with the largest, sweeping tails in the community tank seem to be acting a little odd: they're sitting on the bottom of the tank. They don't seem to be breathing hard, and none of the fish in the whole transition have gone belly-up. They're just sitting on the plants or gravel at the bottom of the tank. They also don't seem to want to come to the top of the tank to eat, but if I wet the micro pellets so they fall instead of float, they'll eat them when they fall near their position at the bottom of the tank. Maybe a third of the new males in the community tank seems fine, they eat and swim around and such. The other two-thirds just hang out on the bottom, and they've been there for over a day (so I'm thinking it's not general new environment freakout.)

I watched the new males in the small tank to see if the same behavior occurred. No luck - all of the other fish, males included, seem to be doing just fine.

Not sure what to make of it when they don't look sick but are acting weird.
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Re: Inherited Newcomers (none / 0) (#4)
by guppylover427 on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 03:46:16 PM PST

It's a good idea to keep all of them seperated. For the males, check how old they are, have they been there a long time? Did you check the water? Hopefully, there's not some type of disease in there that may end up spreading and killing all the others! There probably isn't but just check the odd-acting ones and see if their gills are red because then you know it's the water quality. I don't know much about all the diseaes and stuff but you can tell when a guppy is sick or when it's just really old. Old ones are probably just sitting up near the top gasping for air and slowly sinking to the bottom. A sick one will probably show symptoms of a sickness. I hope this helps!
What? Were you expecting something funny?


Re: Inherited Newcomers (none / 0) (#1)
by siops on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 08:48:51 AM PST

hey britsteiner. I'm not really an expert in this. I'm actually waiting for unclescott's input in this. But, i'd like to add, if it might shed some light on this issue, that older guppies are rather slower in adapting to newer environments. I once bought quite a number of young and old guppies and transferred them in different tanks in a week, and all the older ones died in a few days.

But i do hope yours doesn't die though! Maybe they're just tired... hehehe. If this would be a comfort, some of my old ones started shimmying (which yours is not doing, fortunatley!) on the second transfer. Well, some immediately settled at the bottom of the tank and really looked weak and... dying. I don't know if they would eat if i fed them, cause some just died too soon, before i could even feed.

hope this helps!!



That was very resourceful and wise, using (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:29:09 AM PST

some of the community tank water over night. Are the males, which don't rise to the top, the ones with the longest tails? Siops' observation about older fish not being as flexible in adjusting to new water is also so true! They may just take longer.

But it may also be that the tank is not as oxygen rich as we would like. And the big guys might be going through a little shock.

Long established community tanks often have accumulated their own unique chemistry that will really jar new residents. I couldn't complete the enumeration all of the factors, which must be considered in the old water or the old tank. Again, as gloriously empty-headed as it sounds, please continue a regime of increased partial water changes. That will tend to dilute what-ever characterized the community tank and if the new water is appropriately treated, seasoned and warmed to tank temperature (as I know you would do) that should ease the transition for the newer fish. I still may encounter a loss of an old-timer which making such migrations. Those things still just happen regardless of what we do. :(

For instance, I re-did a planted 40-gallon aquarium, which had been set up for over a decade, ok, really two decades. I guessed that the total TDS, the nature of whatever was in the gravel and the combination of ions in the water were all too high and not likely to be what the newer residents had "experienced." Over a week, several good sized, partial water changes and a lot of gravel vacuuming took place before new residents were added. And an 8-year old yellow rainbowfish (a magnificent "herbie") still leaped out (a sign that they are not happy or are fighting with somebody, I have a candidate) when we weren't looking! :(

It might have been better to remove all of the rainbowfish residents and rearrange that decor. Territories would have been obliterated. Of course, the nitrogen cycle might have been at risk without active, metabolizing fish, after a while.

Your sinking of the food which would reach the bottom dwelling males is clever. I'm sure with your energy and resourcefulness, that the vast majority of those guppies will make it.

Good luck, like inspiration, is 99% perspiration and applied knowledge.

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Re: That was very resourceful and wise, using (none / 0) (#3)
by britsteiner on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 02:39:31 PM PST

It would seem that only three of the males are hanging on the bottom of the tank now. The rest have perked up and started meandering around in the middle areas of the tank. I was looking at the three on the bottom, and they indeed have the very largest of tails, longest top fins, and are significantly more curved than their fellows. Their body length is also larger when compared with the juveniles. I'm thinking you're right, siops, and they are the oldest in their group.

I've been going back and forth now, trying to decided on leaving them in the new tank, or putting them back in their old tank. Since I've just done a serious overhaul of the old tank, I don't think that water would be particularly any better for them, so I'm leaning towards letting them be on the bottom, wetting some food for them, and seeing if they don't perk up eventually (like the handful of others have through the afternoon).

On oxygen: With the sludgy state of the old tank, I would honestly guess that my community tank has a higher oxygen content. There was a long bubble wand generating a super-fine misting of bubbles in the old tank (and it's still there with the mixed group), but I though that the bubbles don't really do much for the oxygen content of the water? (I thought it was all surface area contact between air and water that increases the transferrance of oxygen, and the speed and surface area of the bubbles created only minimal increases along with churning the water more and the top surface area having slightly more air contact.) Or, does a fine mist of bubbles actually do something more than look pretty? In which case, I've got some more installation to do!

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oxygen in tank water (none / 0) (#5)
by siops on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:33:29 PM PST

It's nice to hear that some have recovered already! Well, it is unclescott who told me about older guppies having a harder time adapting. =) (go unclescott!!)

I think they're better off in your community tank, because if you do transfer them again, they have to adapat again... and that's stressful.

About that bubble stream, you're right about the surface area contact on air that increases the oxygen in the water. I've read it on guppyinfo a week ago. They said that the stream of bubbles contributes only a few on oxygenating the tank water, that it's more on the surface contact and circulation of oxygenated water around the whole volume of the tank that's more important and helpful. Here's the link to that topic. http://guppyinfo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=23

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