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I'm baaccckk...and so are my fish.:)

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By aurorahorse
from the aurorahorse department, Section News
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:33:15 PM PST
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I hope this is in the right place!

Well, the others are all gone...as some may remember, I had some weird outbreak that would come and go for months on end...it resembled parasites and/or fish TB, but several rounds of parasitic medicine and food didn't work. After much debate, I euthanized all of them...including the grandson of one of my originals that was a gorgeous gold wag (I have platies). It broke my heart to have to do so, but something was just passing around there as they would drop one-by-one.



I finally got around to cleaning out the tank this weekend because a local pet store sent me a $10 gift card...that was the incentive I needed.:) I planned to either get some bacteria starters or cory catfish, but came home with an awesome brand-new biowheel...I LOVE this thing! The water is crystal clear (you know how it is...no matter how hard you try, you can't get all the dirt out of used gravel) now....I have read all kinds of stuff on it and it seems great. Because I got the Emperor 400, it means I also have some slots for putting some kind of filter media in of my choice, besides the 2 biowheels and regular cartridges...thinking maybe carbon with ammonia remover...any ideas? :-) Even better, it was on sale and I had the GC, so I got it almost half-price (though I later found it cheaper elsewhere at PetSmart, but I rarely go in there for OBVIOUS reasons!).

Anyway, it has sat for days, cleaning and making bacteria (already had one bloom I think because it got that slight white cloudiness to it..maybe because of some old stuff in the gravel?) and then turned crystal clear...but no fish. My friend just dropped off 9 beautiful baby platies...red wags and gold wags...so they are in their bag adjusting to the tank temp and will be released in a few minutes. I can't wait. I haven't felt good today because I had some problems with my diabetes yesterday that are unexplainable, so the fish have cheered me up greatly.:)

So I'll get a few more next week probably since these are not even half-grown...the pet store said I could do 10-13 full grown to start with. I'm sooo excited...but I think I mentioned that already a few times. I'm trying to occupy myself to make sure I don't let them out too early.:)

Dawn

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I'm baaccckk...and so are my fish.:) | 15 comments (14 topical, 1 editorial, 0 hidden)
I keep seeing mentioned... (none / 0) (#9)
by aurorahorse on Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 02:32:20 PM PST

...that you can post straight to diary section...how? I could not find it which is why I did it here, but chose for it to be put in the diary section.



One the right hand side there should be a box with (none / 0) (#10)
by unclescott on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 07:33:25 AM PST

your name on it. Within the items listed is "New Diary Entry" . That is how it is listed on my page. I know that those with editorial privilages/ responsibilities have some different options in another box but you should have that privilage of posting diaries as a member of Guppylog.

My section reads:
unclescott
· Moderate Log Entry Submissions (1/0 new)
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· Your Comments
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Is that what you have, names excepted? :)

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Re: One the right hand side (none / 0) (#13)
by aurorahorse on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 12:15:59 AM PST

found it...thanks!:)

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Re: One the right hand side there should be a box (none / 0) (#12)
by New Guppy Momma on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 09:43:47 AM PST

That's what mine looks like. Well except for the names ;)
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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Day #3 Data (none / 0) (#8)
by aurorahorse on Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 02:31:40 PM PST

2) Temperature: 76 (Had to replace the heater because it got down to 66-68 yesterday)

3) Ammonia: 0.0.

4) pH: 7.2 :)

5) Fish behavior: Eight are VERY happy and moving around...haven't seen them hanging at the top. One, however, just sits...and seriously looks dead except he sits upright (I chased him with net and he moved then). Will keep an eye on him.

6) Water color: Clear.



By the way, while you probably did this, (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 07:36:59 AM PST

for the benefit of those just joining us: if your heater isn't doing what it should do, check to see that it is fully plugged in. Maybe check to see that the outlet is working correctly.(Got a night light to try?)

If if the heater still seems suspect, for heaven's sake and your sake UNPLUG that sucker before fiddling with it. A leak or crack in it may be part of the cause of the malfunction. We don't want you malfunctioning as a result of that. :)

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Re: By the way, while you probably did this, (none / 0) (#14)
by aurorahorse on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 12:18:18 AM PST

oh, it was plugged in...light came on and everything...just wouldn't heat. I was within 2 days of the end of a 2 year warranty, so I shipped it off. I'll give it to another friend who has some frozen fish (not literally..just between 65 and 70 degrees) because she can't afford one and hers broke. <crosses fingers> But thanks for the warning. ;)

Dawn

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Data: Day One (none / 1) (#5)
by aurorahorse on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 04:15:32 PM PST

1) Tank: 55 gallon with 80 gallon Bio-Wheel.

2) Temperature: 72 (was 74 earlier...need to watch heater as I wonder if it's broken, though light comes one...anyone know if Wal-Mart is open on Turkey Day?)

3) Ammonia: 0.5-1.

4) pH: 7.0-7.2...wow...it was low in the old setup, so I hope it stays there. :)

5) Fish behavior: Nine babies ranging in age of a few weeks to a few months, time almost equally split between playing and hanging around top, but maybe gasping at top a little more as day goes on...interesting how they hang at end of tank near my computer when I am here, but go to other end when I walk away.

6) Water color: Clear.



Re: Data: Day One (none / 1) (#6)
by aurorahorse on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 05:49:32 PM PST

I just realized one of them is so light red that he/she is almost pink (too young to get sex yet)! Never seen that in a platy before! Kind of a pink-red-orange color with the black fins....REALLY cool.:) Sorry...just so excited to have my fish back again...of course, that means I'm not doing much of my work.;)

Dawn

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There was a classic pink patterned platy almost (none / 1) (#7)
by unclescott on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 08:43:04 PM PST

lost to the hobby. It is still around after being popukar decades ago. Naturally I can't recall the strain's name - yet.

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Welcome baaccckk! :) (none / 1) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 11:49:45 AM PST

Glad that the tank is a source of enjoyment and comfort if you aren't feeling well. After a physical last week I got a phone call from a nurse asking that I come back for another blood test. When I asked why, she replied that a few measurements were a little, um, unusual. When I asked which ones, she responded that she (being a nurse) wasn't allowed to say. It was time to go watch the darters beg for food in a living room aquarium. ;)

I'm sorry about your old tank. I have a tank that seems to be much the same way and I will reluctantly put an end to it, sit it in the freezing weather predicted next week, toss all of the gravel, etc, into the garbage. There will be some fine plants lost too. :(

The tank will then be scrubbed down with rubbing alcohol since the waxy outside of Mycobacteria is so tough it resists bleach, but evidently (so I'm told) can not resist the alcohol. Then there will be a serious rinsing and resetting up of the aquarium.

A bunch of plants, water and gravel from established tanks will be added to that 10-gallon. Then I will feel comfortable adding a grand total of two adult killifish. With luck there will be fry all over it by February. :) (Talk about counting your fry before the eggs are even laid!)

So I have a feeling for what you are going through.

Have heard all sorts of good things about biowheels, except for the few models that get jammed. They do seem to provide a lot of surface for bacteria and even cichlid guru Paul Loiselle has praised the usefulness of those filters.

For more Google [biowheels and nitrogen cycle] or "Emperor 400" and "tank cycling". Don't just trust one source, even if it is Guppylog. :)

You write, "Anyway, it has sat for days, cleaning and making bacteria..." What are you using for food for the bacteria? Are you adding ammonia with the 3-4 week fishless cycling program (if so stop adding ammonia now that you have fry in there) or did you put two or three fish in there so that their waste material will feed the bacteria? You should be roughly to the first ammonia spike by now.

If nothing was in there pooping and passing urine through their gills, there are precious few beneficial bacteria in that tank, because they didn't have a lot to eat or use to produce lots of offspring. I would watch the baby platies. Being so small, the fry may very well do fine in the new set-up. (Don't over feed though.) I doubt that they will have completely cycled the tank by next week, even with the help of the filter. (Will they get sucked in?)

Even if the fry have cycled the tank, will the new fish bulk so much more that there will be a huge ammonia spike a few days after they arrive? That could result in the subsequent loss of some of them and/or the fry?

Do you have ammonia, nitrite, nitrate testing kits? (I know, more potential @!#$%^&**!! expenses.) I have that queazy feeling that if you add more fish so soon, your aquarium will be "on the bubble" towards problems. I understand that the biowheels aid in the ammonia break down process. But I'm no authority on them and just do not know how fast that tank will cycle.

Should you be able to test, write down the progress and provide us with a log as to how many weeks it took the tank to completely cycle with the fry and again with the addition 2 or 3 (of the  10-13 full grown platies) that the pet store said you I could start with.

The new additions to a cycled tank shouldn't bulk/ weigh any more (or much more) than the fish already in a tank. I feel that this is one of the most awful things which aquarists can do to themselves and their fish. And sadly, the shops, seeking quick sales or in ignorance, sometimes set them up for that disaster.

Just saw a photo of a lumpy, spinally deformed guppy in a book. The caption was along the line of this fish was stunted in a crowded tank. Also wouldn't want that for your babies. ;)

I'm sure some of these comments may take a little of the wind out of your sails. But hopefully, starting more slowly, your aquarium will be providing you with enjoyment all the rest of this and next year. :)

That's the kind of Happy New Year's wish you should have. :)



Re: Welcome baaccckk! :) (none / 1) (#3)
by aurorahorse on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 02:17:59 PM PST

how rude of me...hope your tests turn out okay! fish are excellent therapy...when I was younger, I preferred them to TV. Still do, unless I'm curled up with my husband. ;)

Dawn

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Re: Welcome baaccckk! :) (none / 1) (#2)
by aurorahorse on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 12:22:49 PM PST

Nah, sometimes someone needs to knock my wind down some.:) I can only get babies pretty much...Shannon has TONS of them...so I will just watch them for now and test (pH and ammonia) every few days. I certainly DO NOT want to spike it too high too fast...did that last year and it was awful watching them die. :( So thanks for warning.:) No nitrate kits...maybe for Christmas...gotta wait because the Bio-Wheel was my husband's present to me (he had actually been wanting me to upgrade my filter for some time and was happy I finally did it).:)

Dawn

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Hooray for him! Actually I think most non- (none / 1) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 03:53:45 PM PST

fishkeeping spouses (spice if you're married to more than one) are pretty accommodating if the need is understood. Around here there are limits though and if I am at all open minded, any limits to my craziness are very reasonable and probably overdue.

And Amen to the idea that being curled up viewing the fish is not the very finest context for being curled up. It is nicer with her along. :)

I really have cut back on fish-organization stuff (and some web time) at times, as I realize that being with our kids when they are in this part of the world or my lady, whose company is indeed a gift of God's, is far more important.

I'm not surprised that you are sensitive to what the ammonia is and what the consequences of all those levels are. Felt that it should be mentioned though in the context of starting a new aquarium, especially since these are public discussions.

On that kit thing, there always seem to be new gadgets and stuff one can buy. Sometimes I'm amazingly ignorant of what specifically is going on in a certain tank. Just look at it and go, "Ahhhhhagh! Time for a water change.... or maybe a series of them." ;)

All the best!

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