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By wraith, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:05:22 PM PST
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My 55G is ready to go!!



I am all set to get this 55g going. I have a 27g and a 20g side by side, that this one will replace. I am also setting up my hex tank at the same time.
When I transfer the gravel over, should I give it a quick rinse? There is just alot of dust etc when the gravel is moved. I gravel vac it well about once a month, but there is still a lot going on in there!
I plan to put all my fish, gravel, plants, filter into the hex tank until the 50g is ready. I am using the water and gravel from the 2 tanks I'm tearing down to start the cycle going.

Wish me luck!

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transfering all to new tank... | 9 comments (9 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: transfering all to new tank... (none / 0) (#1)
by guppy1111 on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 02:21:15 PM PST

Good Luck!



Luck! (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 06:48:57 PM PST

What kind of filters do you have in each aquarium? You can start the water partway up (60% previously driven water, 40% seasoned, new water if you have sponges, boxes  or sponge filters on powerheads. I realize that you probably have HOB power filters.

If you have the power filters, maybe you should start just the 55 going. You could hang both of the power filters on the sides so they don't crash. The hex could be colonized a couple of days later. If it looks like you are going to be able to add over 50% of the water in the new tanks (especially after gravel, ornaments and accessories are added), go for it.

This assumes that the chemistries of the two tanks are fairly similar. If you have the same water source, a similar decor, much the same and militant partial water changing habits and tanks which are not too crowded (lots of waste material often significantly drops pHs), than prolly isn't a big issue.

If you have a few fish in the two tanks, which would not be compatible with the others, could you separate them into the hex? So long as the tank is stable in terms of temperature, you could skip feeding a couple of days (or if it is for fry, feed lightly) until you have walked up the water. You didn't mention the gallonage of the hex.

You know this, but for someone passing by and reading this, hexagonal tanks usually have much less surface area to gallonage than most tanks. They will support correspondingly fewer fish.

You probably will be lucky to get 30-35 gallons of relatively "clean" water out of the other tanks. Remove the water to the new tank before doing anything else, except unplugging the power filters.

I use power filters so little that others will probably have better advice than I would. But I thing I would drain the power filter (first) into a slop bucket to get rid of extra detritus. Then I would gently, but immediately, refill them with tank water.

The dirtiest water in a tank is on the bottom and often at the surface. Siphon from 1/10th down to maybe 7/10s or so down.

Then, if you have a bucket, put some of the remaining water in there, net out the fish, gently drop them in the bucket and cover it. That may sound odd not just putting the fish in the new tank, but they are sensitive to the fall of gravel. The bones in their ears are quite similar to ours, they just don't have the funny earlobes. ;)

Also, while they are in the bucket, some of them will nervously pass urine through their gills and defecate and regurgitate. You will move them to the tank later. Then that "stuff" in the bucket of water might just as well be tossed into the flower garden or down the ceramic file.

Until mentioning the above, I really hadn't thought about it, but maybe (just as with the preparing fish which will be shipped) don't feed them for two days before the move. So if this is to be done on the weekend, stop feeding them now. Despite what they are "telling" you, they will do just fine, though bite-sized fry may be at risk.

Yours is a good question about rinsing the gravel. Sometimes the amount of "stuff" in the gravel is just amazing. Once the fish, plants and accessories are removed, start in on the gravel. If you can grab and pour the gravel through a net, maybe most of the unwanted material will just pour through. Slosh and lift it out. You will know whether it needs a light rinse or can be moved, as is, to the new tank. In light of the issue you raise, you might gravel vac a few days before the change over.

When seeding a new tank, I take out water from my "start-up" tank first. Then I net out some "starter gravel" and let it rinse in a net. Always the remaining water will be a little messed up, but I don't want to tote that detritus into the new tank. And it settles, by the time new water has been added to the set-up tank.

However, there is a school of thought that suggests that a little "clean dirt" is useful in starting the new tank. I fear my tank dirt can beat up any other dirt in the universe and don't wish to take it anywhere but the garden. ;)

When the old and new water and gravel are in the tanks, landscape (seascape) the gravel, adding any rocks and the plants. There inevitably will be a little clouding. It should settle.

You again know this, but planting tanks involves gouging/ poking a hole in the substrate (gravel, sand...) with one's hand. The plant is set in the hole and gravel is gently cascaded in over the roots. Plants, which have some sort of node or thickened stem where leaves come together or the growing tip of a bulb should not have that part covered.

When adding the fish, be as gentle and quick as possible without getting them too worked up. I know that sounds contradictory, but some active fish have been known to die of shock. If we miss and miss a fish and chase it all over, that is not as good as a quiet ambush.

If you have an extra net, both for the initial catching and later transfer, it can be handy. Sometimes the only way to catch certain fish is to  carefully herd it/them into the second net with the first one. And the whole aquarium isn't stirred up by the chase. That works not only with the "blue streaks", but with the big guys like foot long pleco types.

If you have catfish and no second net, you might buy a fine-meshed net to drive them into. While the net may get punctured by a spine, the catfish will "hang up" less and get stuck far less in the fine netting. Better that the net gets torn up a little than the catfish. And if the process is smooth, the net may still be in great shape anyway.

Leave the lights off the first day. Let them hide in whatever cover is available. Maybe give them a treat of their favorite live food after they have settled in. Don't feed them much at first though.

I'm sure the shift will be work, but I'm also sure it will go well.

Good luck again. :)

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Re: Luck! (none / 0) (#5)
by wraith on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 03:48:20 PM PST

Ok,
Here's where I'm at.
I started this whole move with a good gravel vac 3 days before, and fed them very little for 24 hours before.
I emptied my 27g, half of it into my hex tank (27g as well), and then half of it into a huge Rubbermaid. All fish from that tank went into a bucket, about 17 male guppies and 3 black stripe tetras.
I then emptied my 20g, half into the hex and half into the Rubbermaid. The fish from that tank went into a separate bucket. Approx. 13 female guppies, 1 male, about 15 babies, and 2 Yoyo loaches. The Yoyo's were a treat to catch......oy. Fast little buggers.
Now with fish in buckets, plants in a bucket, and water in Rubbermaid and hex tank, I positioned the 55g on it's new home. I then squeal with delight a little and do a small happy dance!!
All water from the rubber maid went into the new tank as well as about 20g of seasoned water. Then began the process of moving gravel. I rinsed it off in the left over water from the tanks mixed with a little tap water, not to much, just a quick shake in the net. After both tanks have old gravel, I put about 10lbs in hex tank and 30 lbs in 55g of Eco-complete planted aquarium substrate and gently mixed it in with the gravel. I then planted all my plants, haven't decided exactly where I want everything yet as I am working on getting a large piece of driftwood for the 55g, so for now they are just sort of put in anywhere.

Hex tank #'s -
Ph-7.2
Nitrites - .25
Ammonia - 0

55g
Ph - 7.0
Nitrites - 0
Ammonia - 0

I'm not sure why the hex has higher ph and nitrites, i will do a 5g water change tonight, and keep an eye on the #'s.
So for now all is looking ok. was alot of work that didn't start till babies went to bed at 8, so I didn't see my bed till about 1am. But it was all worth it!

Thanks so much for all the info once again Unc!

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Wow! You are one of the more careful and (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 07:19:12 PM PST

deliberate people on GL! That is meant as high praise. You check as much out as you can and then do it. [By contrast I may take a while, but it is just disorganization or indecisiveness. ;) ]

Very little was mentioned which you were not already doing. But it was good for me to think about that stuff and maybe of use to someone else.

A word for others when thinking about setting up a large tank. We can hedge a little with 5.5s and 10-gallon tanks in terms of making sure that they are as close to absolutely level as possible.

But with the large ones leveling is very important. Tanks have blown out too often if not carefully leveled and shimmed. (Cardboard is useful and doesn't compress a whole lot. Corrugated cardboard will compress about 50%.) I have partially filled and then partially emptied tanks because I didn't get them dead center on the level (both ways) or didn't quite thoroughly shime most of the spaces between the tank and surface of the stand where they come together.

I considered the scary scenario if children were playing near a blow out. After that, I don't think there have been many things in life which I have approached with as much care as leveling that living room aquarium.

atb!

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Re: Wow! You are one of the more careful and (none / 0) (#9)
by wraith on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 03:06:17 PM PST

I also just wanted to say thanks for the compliment! I forgot to in my last post. I think I look everything up and get all my ducks in a row because the bottom line for me is, I have very limited time, and even more limited is my energy after running around with/after the kids all day! So when I do something, I only want to do it once! Haha!
So really, the question becomes, am I really trying to be thorough, or am I just lazy! haha!
Either way, I'm really hoping to not have to re-do this tank.

Cheers!!

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Re: Wow! You are one of the more careful and (none / 0) (#7)
by wraith on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 10:16:36 AM PST

Ok,
now you've got me a little freaked out! I leveled the tank, but for whatever reason, didn't check it again after it was filled. Right now, it all seems fairly leveled, but not exactly. And am I supposed to have something between the tank and the wooden stand it's on? Like cardboard? This morning after reading your last comment I rechecked the tank with my leveler, and one end is about 2mm off (the bubble on the leveler) And then when I went to top off the last bit of water, the water level at the top is about 1cm lower at one end.....argh!! Am I going to have to re-do this? I really don't want this thing to blow out on me! Especially since I have 2 small children who play near the tank alot.
* sigh * I knew it couldn't go up that easily. Darn!

Cheers!
 

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some pics... (none / 0) (#8)
by wraith on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 01:45:27 PM PST

I took a few shots of what the leveler looks like on top of the tank. How do I insert them to this post?

Thanks


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Re: Luck! (none / 0) (#3)
by New Guppy Momma on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 07:33:03 AM PST

I was just going to say to slosh the gravel around in the tank water after you remove the fish but Unc beat me to it. I wouldn't actually rinse it in clean water as that might remove too much of the good bacteria which we want to keep.

Anyway congrats on the bigger tank. If the other tanks are going to be empty is it possible to set up all the filters on the big tank? That's what I did. ANd it came in real handy when I had to set up a hospital tank. I already had a filter that was still cycled. I use the HOB ones. Other than that it keeps my Beast quite clean to have the extra filtration.

Speaking of which I have to go tend my fish. Y|I got to sleep in this morning as my little one didn't wake until 9am. So the fish still haven't eaten yet and it's 9:30.

Good luck moving your fishies. I'm sure they'll appreciate the bigger tank.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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Sleeping in NGM! Congratulations! (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 07:59:18 AM PST

I set the alarm late and got danced on by the Schnoodle early. There was a time when I didn't think of the parallel between dogs and little children. ;)

Wow and empty 29 and a 20! Remember: Nature abhors a vacuum!

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