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My Guppy Just Died For No Reason!!!

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By Syhrus
from the Syhrus department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Thu Nov 02, 2006 at 02:58:49 PM PST
I bought my first pair of guppies 4 days ago. I noticed the male was sitting on the bottom a lot of the time.

I woke up this morning to find him dead on the bottom of the tank.

Can someone please tell me what is going on?



I bought a male and female guppy from the local pet store 4 days ago.

The male was a very pretty blue colour, but I noticed that he sometimes went a grayish colour after I fed him.

I woke up on the morning of the 4th day, turned on the light, fed the fish, and noticed that he was upside down on the bottom of the tank.

I quickly netted the dead fish out and checked for diseases. I didn't find anything; the female appears to be normal, but I'll keep an eye on her.

Can someone explain this for me?

These are the first fish in this Tank - I have done the fishless cycle for 2 weeks
The tank holds 34 Litres.
I keep my tank at 24 degrees celcius.
The pH of the tank was 6.9.
I have a good filter/aerator.

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My Guppy Just Died For No Reason!!! | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: My Guppy Just Died For No Reason!!! (none / 0) (#5)
by lomelindi on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 05:25:18 PM PST

-1 for no response.



Re: My Guppy Just Died For No Reason!!! (none / 0) (#7)
by angelhologram on Tue Oct 17, 2006 at 03:58:12 PM PST

Please change mine to -1 as well
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Opps! You voted for it! (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 01:53:04 PM PST

Been there, done that. :)

If we even lean (or breath) on the mouse the slightest while it is on the "Post it to the front page +1" setting, it gets voted for whether we wanted to do that or not.

In our voting judge training (Nov 7th is just around the corner), everyone was so pleased that if one uses the computerized voting machine, they can back up when they make that mistake and try again. No more of those blasted punch cards! Hopefully, short of a power outage, no need to spoil a ballot and issue another one if people opt for that machine.

atb!

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Re: Opps! You voted for it! (none / 0) (#10)
by angelhologram on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 10:44:55 PM PST

Yeah, a lot of the time that I'm on here I'm using hubby's laptop with the fingerpad thing instead of a "normal" mouse. It's very easy to make istakes by just a tiny finger twitch.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: My Guppy Just Died For No Reason!!! (none / 0) (#6)
by New Guppy Momma on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 06:58:12 PM PST

Same for me. -1 for no response.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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Guppies and other creatures do not die (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:10:56 PM PST

for just no reason. We just don't knowwhat happened. The cause(s) of death is/are sometimes hard to puzzle out.

I'm disappointed too, because so few new aquarists will take the trouble to try and "fishlessly" cycle an aquarium, adding a set amount of ammonia periodically and testing every day or so, until the ammonia readings are 0, the nitrite readings are close to 0 and the nitrate readings may be increasing but are under 20 PPM. Do you know what those readings were before the fish were added? What are those readings now?

It is refreshing to run across someone doing the fishless cycling. Too many new people think that if they let the water sit for a week or two, that the tank is cycled and biologically active. That sitting is not a bad thing in itself because a fair amount of CO2 and nitrogen will be released and the water will absorb a little oxygen. Indeed as the weather gets colder in the Northern Hemisphere, new water (as it warms from the tap to room temperature) is actually sometimes super-saturated with gases and fish can die of gas embolisms (not too different from the bends.) But if letting water sit is all that is done for the   fish, it still has to cycle over the next six weeks or so.

Starting with just a couple of guppies is wise. We often start with too many.

Just out of curiosity, did you get the idea from Angelhologram's article in Immediate Help?

Another thing which takes out new fish is abruptly dumping them in the tank. Given your conscientiousness with the cycling, I wouldn't think that would have been what happened to your male guppy. For those looking on, for more on acclimating the new fish and not inoculating the tank (heavily anyway) with diseases from the fish shop, please see "Getting Acquainted: Acclimating New Fish to a New Aquarium" in the New Tank/Cycling/Setting Up/Water Changing of Immediate Help.

I'm assuming that you have been feeding your guppies no more than they could clean up in a couple of minutes, If they showed no sign of disease, this is a bit of a mystery. Even with diseases, the fish really needs to be to a laboratory pathologist within minutes of death, so it is hard to guess the cause of death.

Wish I could be more help.

If you wish to speculate further, the very same person who wrote that fishless cycling article also offered up a checklist of things to consider if something goes wrong. (Some old geezer added a few questions). You might wish to peruse 20 (40) Questions for new fish owners or owners of sick fish which will be found at http://www.guppylog.com/story/2005/6/24/82111/0134

Those are things which a lot of us will ask of ourselves and others if something hasn't worked out in an aquarium.

Administrivia:
By the way, like so many of us as first time posters, you opted to submit a log, which according to the site software and FAQs is a major exploration of some aspect of the hobby. These Opuses will run from several hundred to several thousands of words on Guppylog. On other Scoop sites, logs may be longer!

That is a design issue of the software. We're not trying to put on airs.

I think you will agree that questions like yours would make great diaries. :) And, because they aren't stuck in the queue and don't have to get voted upon, they get posted immediately to the diary and everything lists and very likely, get responded to sooner.

All the best!
uncle scott



Hello? Are you there Syhrus? (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 08:45:30 AM PST



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Re: Hello? Are you there Syhrus? (none / 0) (#4)
by wraith on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 03:01:44 PM PST

no response, -1 vote

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Re: (none / 0) (#3)
by livebearer fan on Sat Oct 14, 2006 at 12:18:04 AM PST

hi, it may be that you just didnt cycle your tank for long enough, or may be your temp is to low i keep my guppies i keep mine at 27 degrease c. or the journy form the tank in the pet shop to your tank was just to stressful for the little guy
yellowmolly
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Re:Sorry for not writing back! (none / 0) (#9)
by Syhrus on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 11:32:41 PM PST

Sorry for not writing back guys!

I've been trying to get some more ammonia/nitrate/nitrite testing gear.

So far the shop's been out of stock and my friend in the city isn't a sharing person.

I don't have any readings, sorry.

I have been checking the female over the last week, her tail is starting to roll up and she is realy struggling to swim.
"You shall all taste oblivion, which tastes like Red Bull, which is disgusting." -O'Malley
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Are you treating water, maybe letting it sit a bit (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Sat Oct 21, 2006 at 03:13:54 AM PST

and doing more partial and progressively larger water changes?

Sorry about the hassle on the test kits. But you don't need a test kit to know that if you don't do the partial water changes, the female will probably die.

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Re: Good Prediction (none / 0) (#12)
by Syhrus on Wed Oct 25, 2006 at 12:25:06 AM PST

Well done Uncle Scott She died a few days ago.

Under my Godfather's advise I put in some funguside and will leave the tank for a month or so.
"You shall all taste oblivion, which tastes like Red Bull, which is disgusting." -O'Malley
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Fungus is one of nature's ways for cleaning up (none / 0) (#13)
by unclescott on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:45:00 AM PST

dead organic materials such as uneaten food, dead fish and the like. Pick up the pace of the partial water changes and you probably remove the stuff the fungus would live on.

Quarantining new fish and treating them with a antiparasite application (designed to zap a number of internal and external parasites) and then rigorously doing water changes on a modestly populated aquarium will eliminate as many as 99% of the possible disease outbreaks.

Most fish that die before their time died because of (1) diseases brought in from a shop, (2) from suddenly dumping them in their new home (w/o proper acclimation and then we blame the shop), (3) uncycled aquariums and spikes of ammonia, nitrite or nitrates which we didn't properly respond to, (4) from overfeeding and the resulting pollution or (5) from not making enough partial water changes. 6 could be from putting incompatible fish together. The specific illnesses which result may be a mystery to us, the general causes are pretty well known. :)

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