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What is this "thing" sticking out of my fishes?

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By GuppyNL
from the GuppyNL department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:10:22 PM PST
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Hi,

Recently I am dealing with a problem I have got with my adult guppies. There are grey/tranparant thing(s) (stick) sticking out of my guppies. It doesnt seems alive, it doesnt look like a worm (it doesnt move), but it has a shape of a worm, and its kinda like hard stick.




Its sticking near the fins, today I woke up and I see that one of my fish in another aquarium has it too. I tried identifying it on internet, I read every article in immediate help atleast twice hehe. And still I dont have a clue what it is. I also tried taking pictures, made like 50 pictures but not one of them is good enough to see it. And somehow he always show me his wrong side which doesnt show me that "thing".

He is not tired, he is actually very active chasing a female. I have seen this happening to my other fishes in the aquarium. It seems like its spreading among them. I do a 15% to 20% water change every 2 or 3 days now, also do some gravel sucking. Havent done some water testing yet, but I dont think its a problem with the water.

Actually I am quite clueless and I am not sure how to deal with this. I just added 2 tea spoon of salts to the water.

Maybe you guys have some ideas what it can be. Thanks!

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What is this "thing" sticking out of my fishes? | 8 comments (8 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
I wonder if it is some sort of external parasite. (none / 1) (#1)
by unclescott on Sun Sep 18, 2005 at 12:33:55 PM PST

Hydra, anchor worms (Lernea) a little like a worm, sometime sticking out of a sore or ulcer, fish lice (Argulus) looking sometimes like algae stuck on the fish (and other crustaceans or worms like flukes Gyrodactylus and Dactylogyrus) or even leaches.

An anti-parasite med could be used. Something like Jungle's Parasite Guard usually has one or two anthelmintics (which are good against all sorts of worms and crustaceans) and a broad-spectrum antibiotic, hopefully to help guard against secondary bacterial infections.

One dramatic way of dealing with it is to take a gallon of tank water and add 10 tablespoons of salt (not table salt) to that Gallon. You could also use a gallon jar and a hydrometer. Add a little salt and stir. When it is dissolved add the  floating hydrometer. Aim for a specific gravity of about 1.023 - about what one can use to hatch baby brine shrimp.

Add the fish to this salt dip for only 3-5 minutes or until the fish is showing stress or rolling over. Or as one authority suggested, "The fish will tell you when they need to go back."

Return them to their regular water (though another tank with seasoned water of the same chemistry could be even better). That can be repeated every 12 hours if necessary.

The idea behind this is that the change in the osmotic pressure will cause those surface (and gill surface) critters to let go before the fish are messed up. A marine bath for freshwater fish or a freshwater bath for marine fish are common preliminary procedures at some of the big public aquariums.

Go to Google and do an image search for those specific parasites mentioned above. The specific organisms can be confusing to amateurs like me - flukes look like crustaceans rather than worms.

Check with your local LFS (live fish store) and see what they suggest for external parasites. Some will be very familiar with this stuff. Others may not and you will have to browse the med packages.

You have enough salt in the water for maintenance purposes. With water changes, maybe add .5 to 1 teaspoon per gallon put in. When the problem has passed, stop adding salt and let it get removed via the weekly (biweekly if you over achieve) partial water changes.

Good luck and all the best!

uncle scott



Medication I ordered. (none / 0) (#7)
by GuppyNL on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 02:08:57 PM PST

INTERPET NO12 ANTI - CRUSTACEAN
ELIMINATES ANCHOR WORM, FISH LICE, GILL MAGGOTS AND LEECHES - Advanced formula aquarium treatment complete with handy measuring cap and pipette, also includes a comprehensive, easy to follow guide to fish health. 100ml bottle which treats 500 litres (110 gallons)

I ordered from England, shouldnt take very long. In meantime I will try the local shops here.

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Anchor worms it is! (none / 0) (#2)
by GuppyNL on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 05:10:37 AM PST

Thank you Unclescot,

Yes after a couple hours looking on the internet, and looking at alot of fish disease picture, I can comfirm its the Anchor Worm. The sites says its not common in home aquariums, but it sure is common here at my three aquariums :(

I tried salt baths before without any success, maybe not enough salt, or maybe not too long or frequent, I dont know, but I sure will try till I get my medications. I think I will order from the internet, because the stores here doesnt seem to have those brands you mentioned before.

I also read on a website, that people remove the worms themself using a pinset. Is that wise to do?

I am making this my battle with those anchor worms, I never want to see them again >_<

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Hooray! I'm glad you pegged it! (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 10:40:19 AM PST

That is not an easy thing to do!

As a matter of time and of keeping your local pet shop going, look there anyway. They may have a comparable med. under a different brand name.

A while back I went looking for Triple Sulfa Plus by Aquatronics, only to discover that Aquatronics was no more. I was surprised by another company that carried virtually the same thing. That was also true when I got "stuck" with the big box store. When I mentioned Metronidazole to the kid who greeted me, his eyes drifted out of focus, and he replied that they didn't have that product. So I thanked him, waited for him to stagger away, took off my glasses (is there a tendency for livebearer and killinuts to be near-sided, goldfish, koi and cichlid nuts to be far-sided?) and squinted at the back of packages until I found my med.

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that, "I need some Metronidazole or Dimetronidazole to treat a fast moving. prolific flagellate in the Hexamida - Spironucleus group that are wrecking havoc in my lyretails' digestive system." Better to say, "My fish are wasting away and have hollow bellies.";)

Also, now that you have identified your beastie, check with goldfish and/or koi sites, as it is more common among pond fish. You may have to scale their treatment to your aquarium. :)

I wonder about pulling the worms off. I think that may be done with much bigger fish.

I would treat the tank. As you probably know by now, they are a parasitic copepod (a kind of crustacean) which look like a worm. There is a stage in their development where they attach themselves to a fish's gills (which we wouldn't see). Later, the larger adult females attach themselves elsewhere on the fish. (The males are off in a bar somewhere watching football.)

There seem to be several treatments such as the very toxic Dylox (dangerous to inverts - exit snails - and fish in overdose) some of them organophosphates. Dylox (and Dyacide) turns out to also be in a number of anti-parasite meds, so follow instructions! Even if the fish seem ok, there is (Fairfield again) the chance of long term damage liver and kidney damage (and your fish shows dropsey-like symptoms six months later and there is not a darn thing you can do about it.)

Fairfield mentions a newer med called Dimillin, trade name Anchors Away. :) It's nice to find a fish med company with a sense of the language.

He feels that is safer. Your Net search may come up with other useful treatments. Please mention them, as I would guess your thread here will become our Anchor Worm "Immediate Help" entry. :)

As far as post treatment for secondary treatment goes, your fish sound pretty lively. I would gravel vac a day or two after treatment, to get rid of mulm and dead Anchor worms and larvae. I would put a teaspoon of salt in each gallon of water you put into the tank with that water change. Later I would still rotate out the salt with non-salted water changes.

If you wanted to put the treated fish in a recovery tank with gravel, a plastic plant and airstone, that might be the place to does them with a broad spectrum antibiotic as a defense against bacterial attacks on the wounds. Putting the antibiotic in that tank leaves the nitrogen cycle functional in your regular tanks. On the other hand, you mentioned that they were in ALL three of your aquariums, so that probably wouldn't work either... unless you get a 55-gallon tank and dump everybody in there for recovery. ;)

If you get the 55, tell your family that was your idea and yours alone. ;)

Oh! Equipment (nets. siphon tubes...) might be left in the treatment tank or really militantly rinsed under hot water and left outside under the sun for a couple of days. Or I would toss the tubes in the bleach barrel - not the nets!

Once again, these wee beasties point out the need for a 3-4 week quarantine tank. I'll bet no one ever sees those larvae hanging on to the fish's gills. It is only later when they morph into adult external parasites that we see them.

Like you, I'm a little puzzled about how they got into your tanks. It may be that a LFS used nets in both feeder goldfish and regular aquariums. If they have a tank to tank, circulation system, that makes the possibility even more likely that the infection was from a shop.

If you harvest live foods from a place where there are wild fish or your fish spent a time in a pond, that also might be an entry point for the anchorworms. It is interesting and possibly important to find out where they came from. First though, treat those suckers!

You have three aquariums. If you have them on over and under stands, what a wonderful situation! You have room for a tank, which can be a quarantine tank! If there have been no new fish for a long time and you have an outbreak of a disease, it could become a treatment/ recovery tank.

Of course that is, if you haven't filled it up with baby guppies. ;)

Congratulations for hunting down the culprits! Good luck with the treatments!

All the best!
unc

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Wow maybe this is getting worse ! (none / 0) (#4)
by GuppyNL on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 12:21:14 PM PST

thanks again for your detailed clarification.

Okhey first, I did pulled out the anchor worm of my guppy myself, I have to tell it was an almost perfect operation. I use a mesh net in my left hand, force the fish to the surface, took a pincet in my right hand, told my favorite Guppy to stop moving alittle, its for his own good. Then well aim the pincet, en pull! I got the Anchor Worm, but only bad thing was I lost the Anchor Worm, I was more worried about the fish so I lost sight of the worm, good thing was I threw it somewhere outside the aquarium.

So I thought my nightmare was over. I have an aquarium now filled with exactly 20 fry's. It use to be a aquarium with 7 guppies, they were hit by those anchor worms, but I did like a twice 100% water change, moved all the guppies away. So now I though that aquarium was safe, till now that I am cleaning the fry aquarium. (After the operation with my guppy and several pictures I saw on the water about the anchor worm, I have a good picture how it looks like.) Well so I was cleaning, and omg I saw Anchor Worms moving tru the aquarium :( I cant say I am 100%, but I think I am pretty right.

Well I am not going to buy anything from my LFS i visit anymore. They got me pond snails, and Anchor Worms. They have a tank to tank circulation system. I could see the snails crawling out of their plants aquariums.

For the people that want to know how it looks like; You can identify alot more diseases on this website; http://www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html#Lernea

Anyways its scaring me! I am going to try find some medication, this batch of fry's is important to me, because the parents are there no more :(

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Congratulations on the successful surgery! (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 01:16:46 PM PST

Is there another fish store near you which you can go to in order to purchase an anti-parasite med? If not and you don't go to your old LFS, you may say goodbye to your fry. (What is the singular of fry? data? species?) Sometimes, in order to get something done right, we seem to have to "dance with the devil."

By the way, when you bought additional fish or the plants, did you quarantine them? If you didn't, your LFS is not the only party to blame for your troubles.

Soaking new plants in an alum solution (1 tablespoon alum totally dissolved in a gallon water) for 20 minutes, followed by a lot of rinsing, should remove eggs, parasites, snails, fish eggs, leaches and most other hitch-hikers. For more on that go to Immediate Help, look for the section on plants and peruse
Cleansing New Plants

Get the tanks treated soon! :)

All the best!
unc


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Whoeps. (none / 0) (#6)
by GuppyNL on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 01:45:15 PM PST

Yeah I do quarantine the plants and fishes, and rinse them alot. The best I can do, but I never washes my nets when I use it on another aquarium, so stuff hitchhike from one to another. That I might have to change!

Anyways I found more info about anchor worms. This article says salt cannot remove Anchor Worms; http://www.ponddoc.com/WhatsUpDoc/FishHealth/FlashDance.htm

It seems dimilin is a very good product to get rid of Anchor Worms, interrupting the parasites life cycle and reproductive processes. But I cant seem to find it in here, not even online. (I live in the Netherlands).

Oh well I am still searching....

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"I ordered from England, (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 07:41:14 AM PST

shouldn't take very long."

I did a real double take at this until you mentioned that you were from Netherlands. (GuppyNL is both a clever pen-name and hint - which naturally went right over my head.) Those of us in the Midwestern U.S. must seem pretty provincial in our shopping patterns, compared to people in the EEC, though certainly we mail-order supplies not available locally.

Part of my mind-set is distance. I never get over how close things are even on the east coast of the US compared to here. And then I talk to people "out west", like the guy who drives 6-7 hours to visit another killinut (the one nearest to him). They talk the rest of the day, he sleeps on the couch and drives home the next day!

You are doing a lot more than most of us to limit the spread of "stuff" from one tank to another and then you recall that traveling net. I'm so tickled to hear of your plant quarantining. If it isn't one thing, it is another though; and it seems like a constant struggle to eliminate a "bug" which gets into the fishroom. I am glad you quickly worked out the mechanism by which those beasties spread - again that puts you way ahead of the pack!

All the best!
unc

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