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Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia

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By PeterW, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:10:23 PM PST
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Has anybody here used MS-222 for guppy euthanasia and have a recipe they can share?



I have 100 grams of Tricaine-S (ie: MS-222) and I've run into a problem I hadn't counted on.  How does one measure such small doses accurately?

First of all, the MSDS and other data gives the "safe" doses and limits for various fish for the intended anastetic effects, including tropical livebearers and egglayers.  The FDA approved dose for a fast knockout is around 80mg/L.   The regular dose is aroung 60mg/L.

I've been looking around for numbers and doses.  Some places talk about using stock solutions - which I don't really want to do if I can help it.  My wife nearly had me shot when she found brine shrimp in the fridge, and she barely lets me get away with my emergency stash of bio-spira packets hidden in there.  A large bottle of anasthetic stock solution in the fridge or freezer is out of the question.

Another site mentions that a 0.5ml scoop holds about 400mg of the powder and that can be directly dissolved in about a liter of water.

I've seen various dosages suggested, ranging from 100ppm to achieve anasthesia then switching to a secondary method of euthanasia, all the way through immersing them in a 350ppm solution and wait for 10 minutes beyond the last gill movement.

My inclination at this point is to use a 0.5ml scoop in a little over 1 liter of tank water and go from there. That should be pretty close to 350mg/L (350ppm) as suggested on thekrib.

In case you're wondering why its come to this, I've found the source of seriously deformed (bent spine) fry in one of my tanks.  One of the adult females is deformed herself and its not obvious when she's pregnant.  Unfortunately I've got many of her deformed offspring now too.  I don't have any big fish to use the.. uhh.. "disposal services" of either.

(BTW: an easy source for this stuff online in the USA is www.aquaticeco.com, search for "MS-222".  It only comes in a big package though, but no paperwork or anything was needed.  www.sigmaaldrich.com has smaller lots apparently, search there for MS-222 or A5040)

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Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia | 12 comments (12 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 12:20:44 AM PST

Hi Peter,

I don't even know what MS-222 is but was wondering if you've tried clove oil? I bought it at the chemist and it was only about $5 for a tiny bottle (easily hidden from kids).

I take the fish along with 1- 2 litres of their tank water (in a glass bowl for easy cleaning later) and add just a few drops of clove oil. It takes 10-15 minutes for the fish to have no gill movements and their is no distress whatsoever.

It's very powerful smelling so don't use it in a normal fish container or plastic container and also keep well away from your fish tank/s when you do it as I'm not sure what the fumes would do.

I assume it can be bought in America. It used to be sold in bygone years for toothache apparently.

Hope all else is well there.
Cheers
miskairal
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Re: Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia (none / 0) (#4)
by PeterW on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 01:49:21 PM PST

miskairal:  MS-222 is a veterinary grade anasthetic suitable for cold blooded animals, including fish and small reptiles.  It is fast acting and has few side effects.  It is absorbed and secreted via the gills, so as long as they don't stop breathing (mouth+gill movement), they simply recover in short order in fresh water.

Its approved use in the US is for anasthesia and sedation only.  It is often used in commercial fisheries for things that would be too stressful to fish - eg: taking them out of water for collecting eggs or for first aid etc.  It can even be used as a light seditive for transporting fish.

Depending on the concentration in the water, the effect can be incremental though, and they go into deeper and deeper anasthesia over time as the gills absorb more until it matches the blood stream concentration.

And that's where the euthanasia aspect comes in.  They first go into light anasthesia (loss of flotation control, effectively they're unconscious at this point), then Deep Anasthesia (complete loss of all reflexes, eg: suitable for surgery) and finally, if the level increases even more they stop "breathing".  After at least 10 minutes they should be fully "gone".

Some fish species have adapted for low oxygen water and can apparently survive without oxygen for a while, hence the 10+ minutes wait.  Or a secondary physical euthanasia method is required to ensure no suffering.

I've noticed that lots of universities here in the US specify MS-222 for pre-dissection protocols...

Clove oil sounds like it has similar effects to MS-222, except it sounds like this should have easier cleanup.  And it doesn't smell. :-)


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Re: Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 02:06:03 PM PST

Thanks for the info Peter.

Unc;e gave me a link to a site a long time ago (18 months ago) and I saved part of the page ...

<quote>
The Australia and New Zealand Council for the Care of Animals in Research and Teaching have a publication titled "Euthanasia of Animals Used for Scientific Purposes", has three categories of assessment of euthanasia techniques for fish.   These are recommended, acceptable with reservations and not acceptable.

Recommended:
Halothane, MS-222, benzocaine, eugenol, clove oil

Acceptable with reservations:
Injection with Sodium pentobarbitone (Stressful because of need to remove from water)
Stunning and brain destruction, cervical dislocation, decapitation in stunned or anaesthetized fish

Not acceptable:
Carbon dioxide,  Cervical dislocation in large fish, decapitation alone, removal from water, hypothermia/ freezing. (The reason they say the use of cold shock is unacceptable is the length of time it takes the fish to become unconscious.
<endquote>

I remember then wondering what MS-222 was but assumed it was a drug I would not be able to obtain.
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Cervical dislocation (none / 0) (#10)
by angelhologram on Sat Sep 17, 2005 at 08:03:22 AM PST

would that be cutting it's head off? What a clinical way to put it.
I'm glad this was posted, I tried the clove oil once and my fish thrashed quite a bit. The MS-222 sounds a lot more humane than the others. I've frozen fish befoere but I usually don't resort to any method until they are on their absolute last leg (fin?). Although I know when they are very ill it's would be best to put them out of their misery I always cling to the hope that I can do something to make them better. I know it's selfish not wanting to let them go (die) but I haven't gotten to the point yet where I can do it. Maybe I'll feel differently a year from now when I will hopefully be so overrun by gups and fry that I will have 12 tanks going.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: Cervical dislocation (none / 0) (#11)
by miskairal on Sun Sep 18, 2005 at 01:01:43 AM PST

There is always hope angel. That is not being selfish it is understanding another creature's will to live. A few years ago I had a goat who was very ill and unable to stand at all. After 21 days of moving her every 4 hours, feeding her (and she ate ravenously), and cleaning up after her I asked my hubby that night to put her down next morning. Next morning she was standing up and tottering round and she didn't lay down again that we could see for 4 days. Maybe we spoke too loudly from the house :)

It is very hard to judge when another living animal is suffering. I too have great trouble euthanasing (not sure of word/spelling) fish too but I've managed to work up the courage to do a few fish with the clove oil and never had any thrash around, maybe I leave them a little late?? I hope that whatever you decide it is less traumatic for you and the fish next time.
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Re: Cervical dislocation (none / 0) (#12)
by angelhologram on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 06:50:54 AM PST

  My local LFS knows how hard I try to help sick or injured fish/pets so on Sunday they gave me a green spotted puffer and a bunch of meds to try and take care of it. It was a VERY sick little fish with fungus, cloudy eye, ick, and not eating. I did my best all day Sunday and Sunday night to help the poor little thing but it passed on Monday. I was glad to have an empty hospital tank to be able to do something like that for them and as sick as that fish was I can understand them just not having the time or personel to help it themselves. I had it just long enough to decide I really like that type of fish although I never got to see it puff. I have no idea where I would put one either. Some people say they haven't had any trouble with them around guppies in a large enough tank, while others say they are notorious fin nippers. I guess like my betta it depends on the temperment of the individual fish. I need more tanks and a larger house.
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Re: Recipe for MS-222 euthanasia (none / 0) (#8)
by PeterW on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 04:08:42 PM PST

Yeah, the freezing one bugs me.  But I think just about all of the above are preferable to torturing a fish for up to several days by flushing it down the toilet. :-(

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It might not be for days. (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 09:27:06 PM PST

The fish probably would be poisoned by chemical shock or suffocated by a lack of oxygen. If it was unlucky enough to make it to a sewerage processing plant, it would be ground up by the machinery at the first step.

After the Finding Nemo movie came out (and several parties feared kids tossing fish down drains and toilets, with a cry of, "Go, be free!"), CNN published an on-line story entitled "Grinding Nemo." It detailed some of the ways Nemo would probably perish. :(

So much for escaping to the open sea.

All the best anyway. :)
unc

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It is surprising what one can buy on the Net! (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 09:27:07 PM PST

You are wise to be very careful with that stuff. And not keeping it in the refrig is also such a good idea. :)

I do appreciate your efforts to find the gentlest way to euthanize seriously ill and deformed fish.

You probably have read that one shouldn't breath it. Some authorities suggest one shouldn't even touch it. We do have a pack of surgical gloves around here for various household and fishy purposes. That might not be a bad idea for you, but ought to really impress your wife!

I'm sure you are aware of the need to carefully and responsibly dispose of that stuff.

"Another site mentions that a 0.5ml scoop holds about 400mg of the powder and that can be directly dissolved in about a liter of water."

I would imagine chemistry equipment sites could offer appropriate measuring equipment. One could size even smaller, if not precisely small quantities with half full scoops.

Like miskairal, we also picked up a little vial of the clove oil at a local drug store for $6-7. The package is so darn small, it is easy to lose on a shelf of aquarium stuff.

Had a hunch it was pretty potent stuff and not to be used in the fishroom. Thank you miskairal for the advice to use it a long way from the fish and probably outside.

I was surprised when Terry Fairfield, last Friday, endorsed putting an ailing aquarium fish in a jar of water and placing it in the freezer. Maybe he feels that, for most aquarists, it is the most accessible, mostly humane approach, to euthanasia  and a vast improvement over flushing unwanted fish.

I really liked his observation that fish are not disposable pets.

All the best!
unc

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Ah! (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 10:13:40 PM PST

My son (the chemistry grad student) quickly returned an e-mailed plea for help. Apparently 1/8 tsp is equivalent to 0.5 mL. So a cheap measuring spoon set should do the trick.

Do they have 1/16th tsp or 1/32 tsp measuring spoons? I can see you, with the draps pulled, putting 1/8 tsp of the stuff on a piece of glass and quartering it with a razor blade. :0

Or if you needed more precise things you could go look for a graduated cylinder. A couple sites
he quickly included: http://www.sciencestuff.com/ctgy/L-g/10 or
http://sciencekit.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_428018

There is also the outfit out of Milwaukee and Chicagoland, American Science and Surplus, which has their very quirky and entertaining catalog at
http://www.sciplus.com/
And if you ask really nicely, they will mail you their catalog. It is a great to any bathroom reading rack. ;)

All the best!
unc

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Re: Ah! (none / 0) (#5)
by PeterW on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 01:56:42 PM PST

Thanks for the pointers!  I have access to two 1ml measuring spoons (came with us from Australia with the other kitchen stuff) and I can probably steal one from there.

Anyway, I'll see what I can find from your suggestions.    If all else fails, I can resort to using the 1ml scoop in a little over 2 liters of water instead.  I dont think I have to worry about running out of the powder given that I have 100 grams of it.

Or I can see if I can figure out the technique that cocaine users use for splitting powder on a mirror or whatever it is that they do. :-)

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Re: Ah! (none / 0) (#6)
by PeterW on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 02:00:08 PM PST

Oh, one other thing I've learned.. If the concentration is too high (500ppm seems to be the threshold), it turns the water significantly acidic unless it is strongly buffered.  Given how pathetically weakly buffered our water is, I think I'm going to have to take care of that..

(And speaking of weakly buffered soft water, I'm adding salt and liquid RO-right to re-raise TDS/EC of our tap water every 3-4 days.  What a pain!)

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