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Help with colors?

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By GuppyLuver15
from the GuppyLuver15 department, Section Diaries
Posted on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 08:05:04 AM PST
Hi everybody!! Two male guppies of mine have gotten their adult colors!



One of the males is a yellow cobra, kind of like his dad, but yellow. The other one is weird. He has a big black dot right in the middle of the beginning of his tail. Around the dot is neon blue, kind of flourecenty. and the sides of the tail are orange. On his body, he has a white flourecent streak outlined by black. What the heck is he???

Oh, and my male father of all the guppies, he looks EXACTLY like this picture: http://fins.actwin.com/fresh-pics/guppy-male.jpg

What is he?  Thanks again!
GuppyLuver15

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Re: Help with colors? (none / 0) (#5)
by GuppyLuver15 on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 03:17:58 PM PST

Thank you guys!! This is all great information! From the pics that I saw, he does look LIKE a delta guppy, but I don't think he IS one. Thanks for everything, now, I can tell people what kind they are thanks again!
Guppyluver15
Guppy Luver


Re: Help with colors? (none / 0) (#4)
by miskairal on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 11:17:39 PM PST

That male in the pic is how about 25% of mine turned out. I had a little 4 year old girl visiting recently and she called them firefish (there were a couple of plain red tails too) which I rather liked.

Sadly I now have only 2 of these left, in fact I only have about 10 males left out of about 120 and no females capable of breeding. Next time I put a young male and female together I will know what I'm getting myself in for :)
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Re: Help with colors? (none / 0) (#2)
by FishingForFishies on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 03:24:26 PM PST

hmm, I have two males that look just about exactly like your male....And I think it is just a mix of all the breeding and he came out a unique style of his own....I figured when I got mine that it was a new type of guppy, so I called the coloring 'rainbow panda' becuase he looked like he would have come from China!!!  hehe....well, congrats on getting a nice little extra edition to your guppies....he probably wouldn't be suited for a show fish, but he sounds pretty cute!  
Megan Christiansen


Re: Help with colors? (none / 0) (#1)
by DJIsaac on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 09:39:40 AM PST

hmmm from your discription id say the coloring is not unlike the two males i have at home from a birthing... sounds like you might have some endlers :) which arnt as beautiful as fancy's in my eyes, but they definatly have alot more diffrent colours then a fancy would.. the orange lines and black dots give that away a little...

you can see alot of diffrent colored endlers here http://endlersr.us/modules.php?name=coppermine at endlers are us...

As for your picture, It looks like his body is of a snakeskin.... but his tail is the sunset that I see most usuall in Fancy Guppies...

Other Guppylog people might say diffrent though, and most of them are smarter then me... Just thought id add my 2 cents...



Color descriptions are sometime very easy. (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 10:25:50 PM PST

For instance red tailed half-black. Three quarters half-black (an all black gene has proved
to be a lethal gene in some guppies).

Others are not so easy. I would guess yours would be called a  Snakeskin Variegated. But it is also a Multicolor Snakeskin if you see three or more colors in the tail. If you see two colors in the tail, it is a Bicolor snakeskin.

Some guppy enthusiasts don't like the IFGA approved show classes, which is where I tried to draw those from and then Google search for examples. (Multicolor came right to mind though.) The feeling among a few guppy people is that the IFGA people are discouraging new colors and forms of guppies. That is somewhat true, but roundtails are now an experimental class. Other classes exist now, which didn't exist in the past. Swords seem more popular than before. Go to European or Asian clubs and look at their classes. Certainly they have more room for various kinds of swordtails and pintails. There no doubt is a cultural component in terms of selecting classes and descriptions of guppies.

In order to encourage more participation they have classes by males of a color, females of a color, breeder's classes:  Males (5 matched) Females (3 matched) and a novice class for someone who has never won in a show and junior classes for young people.

Take a look at the IFGA site or The World Guppy Association show results. The points standings will give you an idea of how dedicated some of these folks are in maintaining and developing certain color forms of guppy.

http://www.ifga.org/show_section.htm
http://www.world-guppy.de/

Also go to commercial guppy or discus sites and look at the names given what is essentially the same fish in different situations. It is not common, but I have seen the same killies offered for sale twice by the same persons under a scientific name and a location name. Once in a great while some clown will offer a fish under an outdated popular or scientific name from the 50s or 60s.

With a few goofballs selling under home made names; it is easy to spend big money in different places for the same fish! We urge buyers to be well informed. But if sellers make up any old name and miss-lead us, chaos reigns.

Also shows have to have some order and divisions, or else everyone enters the same class and 140 entries are competing for the same 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

As a runner at auctions, I have quietly brought attention to a number of interspecies crosses - thereby negating higher priced bidding for an incorrect pedigree. Also will take a bag to the seller and ask them if theirs is the correct name for the fish. The guy who is best at correcting labels is cichlid and livebearer guru Mike Schadle. It is amazing how smoothly he can update nomenclature and popular names while auctioning the fish!

So maybe we can suggest that by IFGA standards these are such and such. Or this fish was sold by... hatchery as ...

In the U.S. the cichlid group, the International Betta Congress (famous for their experimental classes) and the killie group publish lists of name and indeed books on killie classification. Scientific groups (fishbase for instance) and other set up whole web site on taxonomy (the classification of fishes).

So I don't think that, if egos can be put aside and if an effort can be made for consistent description of patterns, that classes are a bad idea. And they are still wise enough/ clever enough to have catch-alls like AOC - any other color among guppy people or AOV - any other variety among others, so that no one gets left out.

All the best!
unc

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