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The Life and Times of a Breeding Female

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By DJIsaac
from the Me department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 02:08:21 PM PST
When the female guppy is born it is no more female, then male, but of a non-sexed brand of guppy. Though through scientific studies it is discovered that almost all species of life starts off as Female.



Through the Evolution of the Species and the need to survive, the basic makeup of the genetic structure recognizes that the female is the key.

Guppies are a testament to the evolutionary needs of their genetic structure, proven many times throughout the species and its extended branches... May it be from their huge drops of fry, the amount of drops per year, the color, and fin developments. Even some that are blind to light and developed membranes over their eyes so that they can see in the dark, from generations of breeding in complete darkness...

But in this case we will say that a female is not a female until developing a gravid spot, excluding strains that make the Gravid spot almost impossible to see.

The Female Guppy by this time will already have become harassed by males and could become impregnated as soon as the gravid spot develops, depending on how far along their sexual reproductive organs have developed. In small tests that I have done I have noticed that it approximately takes a 4 month gestation period before the first drop (but have had earlier on occasion.) The female stores the male's sperm for use further along the line, even being found in fry drops 7 months later.

With recent tests that I have done, the female is able to have these fry drops one of two ways. Either, A... once a month dropping anywhere from supposed recordings of anywhere from 5-200 in rare cases. Or B... making small drops over the course of the month, as the babies develop far enough along to become dropped fry. In my studies in a large environment, B happens quite a lot. That when Guppy numbers are high, then the female will only drop a few between 5 days apart right up to 2 weeks apart from each other.

And in different birthings, the fry will come out at different sizes. One batch may come out the size of 1-week-old fry sometimes. I think this might be the case because of room permitted. That the Female holds onto them until which time where she can no longer contain them. Thus the square looking pregnant female only days away from drop.

Basically I just wanted to give a little help to those who actively participate in the birthings of the female and to point out things to look for if wanting to save as many fry as possible. The part before this is just to offer a little understanding of the female....

The Gravid Spot...

This will last quite a bit of the pregnancy . At first this is how you know you have a female, but it can also be used to tell if your female has become pregnant and when she will drop.

When a female is fresh off a pregnancy and about to drop her gravid spot will show.

At first it is only her reproductive organ, the one that the eggs and whatnot sit in.

But once pregnant, the female's gravid spot with her belly will begin to grow until her gravid spot rises above onto her back, and is somewhat covered from sight. But it hasn't moved, but filled up, with eggs...

Now these eggs should have a nice pink to them, as should her stomach, where the gravid spot once was.

This is basically where you should start to think about what to do to save your fry. Should you buy some place to hide and go the Darwinism way? Or should you get a Breeder Box or Net to save as many as you can.

Over this next week your female should really start to fill out. But to no set law size. Their size really depends on a few things. How much they ate, and how many fry she is getting ready to drop, are two of the could be reasons for size.

If she is going to have a big drop, or is just a big girl, then she will become almost square in the stomach. But don't let their size only judge when the drop may happen.

Watch the pink spot, it will become slowly darker, as if her gravid spot is moving back down. But under deep magnification you can see that there are actually little black dots in all that pink. What you are seeing is the development of the baby fry's eyes. (Say that five times really fast.)

Now you should expect the delivery very soon. Other tell-tale traces can be the female hiding out, looking for a place away from the group to drop her fry and give them the best chance at survival - another genetically imprinted trait.

So here is the life of the breeder female:

Step 1... Develop gravid spot
Step 2... Gravid spot moves and size increases
Step 3... Gravid spot is replaced with pinkness
................Size continues to grow.
Step 4... Gravid spot seemingly reappears
................ Belly seems to have squared out
................ Guppy is hiding away
Step 5... wait for it....
Step 6... Collect fry...
................ Female is as skinny as I want her to be
................ Female is back to square 1...

What if her gravid spot doesn't return????

Then you are like me and have a biweekly dropper... and she is still pink because she is still developing more eggs. Watch for small dots to reappear..... :)

As I'm sure I'm missing lots of stuff, like exact references for the scientific data, I know to the best of my abilities to be true..

Plus I would be happy if maybe someone else could add their 2 cents in and maybe rewrite it. As I am not that smart and I tend to drift. It's hard try to shrink down all the info on guppy genetics and the how and whys of evolution of Guppy breeding without getting away from the original topic of just what to look for.

I put this here 'cause its easy to delete if no one wants to see it, or help out, or add things of their own... And I was really bored.

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The Life and Times of a Breeding Female | 9 comments (2 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: The Life and Times of a Breeding Female (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 04:13:37 PM PST

Wow DJ you sure have been paying attention.

Your observations about the females dropping over a period of time on occasion rather than all at once seems to explain what others have asked here and possibly what I have been seeing over the last couple of days. You've made me want to separate my fish out more so I can observe exactly who's doing what.

<quote>In small tests that I have done I have noticed that it approxamtly takes a 4 month gestation period before the first drop (but have had earlier on occasion.<endquote>
Did you mean here that the fish are about 4 months old when they drop their first batch of fry?

How can you say that you are not that smart when you've just written all this! Yeah there are spelling and grammar errors but that's not an indication of intelligence and you've just shown us what you are capable of. I'd have a go at fixing the spelling (but I'm not so good on grammar myself) except that too many things go flying off into outer cyberspace round here and I might lose it which would be a tragedy.

Thankyou for sharing all your info with us.

Cheers
miskairal
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Re: The Life and Times of a Breeding Female (none / 0) (#4)
by DJIsaac on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 07:47:46 AM PST

When i said about 4 months. i ment only from the point of becoming pregnated... Which would be about the time when the gravid spot first appears I think... So i only start couting from there... With Gravid spot development though it depends on a few things... Like tank size, how many feedings ect...

Basicly how long it takes for it to gain maturatity from the point of birth.. (betweeen 2 weeks - 1 month) then from that point another 4 months before you could see your first drop. But that is under prime conditions...

I also wanted to add, that When pregnant once and a while you will see the gravid spot suddenly reapear, but once placeing her in a breeder box/net the gravid spot can disapear... I still have not quite figured out what it is.... Either A... some how it comes down to protect the female .. Or B... thats just what there poop looks like inside them.. (cause usually after a good dump it disapears again) This should not be mistaken for a Dropping... If you watch carefully you will see the baby fry's eyes developing in the egg. this will give it the look of a gravid spot. But develops over time... not in the last hour that you happened not to look at them.... :) :)

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