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growing fry

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By nonzoid
from the nonzoid department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:10:27 PM PST
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hi, my fry don't seem to be growing all that much. they've been about the same size for 3 months. is that normal? can anyone give me tips on how to make these guys grow?...or should i not push it? thanks!



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growing fry | 5 comments (5 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: growing fry (none / 0) (#5)
by ihappyguppy on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 08:59:26 AM PST

If you ask me, you're doing a good job of raising the fry, although you may want to add some live food to their diet.  The one thing that I am not finding in any of your log entries the size of these fry.  If they are 3 centimeters long, then that may possibly be their full length.  I don't recall if you put how old they were either, but if they're over six months, chances are they're done growing.
Guppyluvr


Re: growing fry (none / 0) (#3)
by nonzoid on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:59:06 AM PST

i do 25 % water changes every few weeks. i did this a couple of days ago in fact! i scrub the sides of the tank free of algae. the water quality is just fine too. the ph is around 7.5, the nitrite and nitrate are in the safe areas, the water is reasonably hard, and the alkalinity is in the ideal range. (i have test strips). the swordtail fry are definitely much bigger than newborns, and are looking like fish...except for their small size (about 3-4 cm). they also have plenty of room, since i recently let them out into the tank. i feed them once a day (i've had problems with putting too much food in the tank in the past) with flakes. with this new info, can anyone give me any more advice? am i doing an okay job raising them? thanks!



Feed them a couple of times, even if it is (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 07:28:47 PM PST

the same amount of flakes. Just as "they" will suggest that humans are better able to digest and use the same amount of food in three (or four) meals as in one or two much larger meals, so too omnivores such as the swords will benefit from that.

You may want to use up any flake food package within a month or two. Any vitamins, such as vitamin C, are destroyed by light and humidity "they say" by three months. A more vitamin-enriched diet again enables the fish to put the food to better use. If you can feed a special treat of blackworms or rinsed, formerly frozen brine shrimp or bloodworms or glassworms, that will also diversify their diet, give them more protein and useful trace elements.

Even if you and I ate "the perfect food" all of the time (probably broccoli lasagna), we wouldn't necessarily benefit. And we'd be bored to death. :)

People breeding guppies for show, may feed (what they can eat and no more in a couple of minutes) even as often as 4-6 times a day. They also do partial water changes a couple times a week to even a daily pattern! Part of the increased water changes must be done to deal with the increased feedings. Part of it is that the cleaner the water, the healthier the fish. (Useful trace elements are more likely in the water.) They also spend less energy fighting off illnesses.

Like you, most of us are pleased to keep our aquarium water within safe perimeters. However with more effort the fish grow faster, are virtually disease free (if new acquisitions are quarantined a month and maybe treated for parasites). Colors may be stronger. Fry will be more numerous, a tad larger, healthier and more vigorous.

One of the special reasons for the increased feeding and care with swordtails is that at a certain point, males will develop swords. When they do that, most of the growth of the body stops. If they were stunted and slow growing when the swordtail comes in, they will be dwarves for the rest of their 1 to 3 years.

Raising temperatures is always a little controversial. The life expectancy of a guppy at 80 degrees F/ 2 C will many times be less than a year. The same fish, at 75-6 degrees F/ 24C might live 1.5 to even two years. But the increased temperature also increases appetite and growth, with feeding, will also be more rapid.

By the way, a small but very useful book is 1995's (and 1996's)  Platies and Swordtails : An Aquarist's Handbook
by Derek and Pat Lambert. Both authors (Son and Mum) have collected extensively in Mexico and use their experiences in the field and in the fishroom in that work. It pops up from time to time in the better shops. One could also go to the following and look around.

http://books.half.ebay.com/
http://www.fetchbook.info/
http://www.bookfinder.com/
http://www.seahorses.com/index.shtm
http://www.powells.com/
and perhaps the best deal from my quick survey:
http://www.fishbookstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=226

Derek, in his later 40s, passed away about a year and a half back, The livebearer hobby lost a real go-getter when that happened.

All the best!
unc;e

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Re: growing fry (none / 0) (#1)
by nancylb999 on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 08:33:09 AM PST

I have had the same experience too, it seems as though my fry are not growing, or very slowly, at that...

Then another batch appears and I am able to compare them in size to fry that are 3 days olds, a few weeks old, a couple months old, then I am able to easily see the progress in growth.

Factors that affect growth include food (quality of and frequency of feeding), space (are the fry overcrowded, or do they have plenty of room), water quality and temperature.

Perhaps you could report back with more detail, for example, what your fry are being fed and how often, how often you clean your tank and do water changes, test kit results (ammonia, nitrate, PH and hardness, should you have the kits to do so), the size of tank and temperature. Once this information is posted, I'm sure someone would be able to offer more insight.

-Nancy.



Wow! I was just going to write some of (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 12:00:12 PM PST

what you did so well. There is very little to add. Only one tag on the importance of Nancy's questions. Water with too much waste material in it (even with a very effective nitrogen cycle which provided the aquarium with a bumper crop of nitrites) will keep a fish from effectively using it's food. The excess nitrogen in the water blocks the blood from carrying as much oxygen as it could. Hence the whole ability to metabolize and use that food for growth is inhibited. Stunted fish can be a result.

First compare your fry with newborns at the shop or a friend's place. If they aren't a little bigger (and at least the females showing their gravid spot) then consider your feeding and environmental perimeters.

All the best!
uncle scott

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