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How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy from sick tank

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By andreat6777
from the andreat6777 department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:14:23 PM PST
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I have 2, 10 gallon tanks.  I keep 1 with guppies but the other has 2 zebra danios and 2 glo-lite tetras because it has just recently finished cycling and I heard they are the best to cycle a new tank.



The first tank was bought 3 weeks before the other.  I put a few guppies in trying to cycle it.  They died.  Repeated this process 7 or 8 times before I figured out what was wrong (thanks to the Internet or I'd still be ignorant). I bought some test strips and saw there was a LOOOOOT of nitrite in the tank (my husband knew to watch for ammonia but not that).  

While the new tank was cycling with newly added zebra danios and tetras, the other one was cycled but started showing bad problems.  A fish was scratching itself on the gravel, others had white mucusy stuff coming out of their poop, one or two had clamped fins, another was "flashing".  AWFUL.

I treated them with salt first, still had deaths, then Quick cure, still dying, then I tried Melafix.  Ultimately every dang one of these fish died except the one fish that had been in that tank since the beginning--a split tail male.  I had originally started with the few, then upped it to 6, even went up to 12 and kept buying fish to replace the dead ones in that period.  I know---REALLY smart move.  ---Sigh---

I added 3 guppies to the healthy tank about 1 1/2 weeks ago.  I'm wondering if it is safe to put the one from the tank with probs in with them?  I don't want him to be isolated for too long but I don't want some kind of infestation going on in that tank as well.  How long should I wait to make sure things are safe?  All the other fish showed problems long before now.  This one seems immune almost.  Great, now I'll go back into the room and see him dead since I said that :(

I know I made a lot of mistakes in setting up these 2 tanks.  I should have tried non-fish cycling and waited before putting more in.  I DEFINATELY should have isolated the new fish in a seperate tank for a while to see if they were sick before exposing the rest of them.  I have learned my lesson and am planning on having 1, 10 gal with adult guppies--using the other 10 gal for the 20 something fry I have in a 5 gal tank right now, and using the 5 gal for the isolation tank in the future.  Adding split-tail to the other tank will allow me to start this.  Just don't want to do it too soon.  

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How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy from sick tank | 17 comments (17 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#11)
by andreat6777 on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 05:06:20 AM PST

As soon as I posted yesterday I had another guppy death.  This one showed no signs of anything being wrong with it, it just died.  

That is something--the Prozac from the sanitation affecting the fish.  What a different world this is.  :(  



Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#12)
by guppygirl on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 06:20:03 AM PST

Now I KNOW I live in the wrong area!

Where was that place again?

That's my kind of incentive to drink 8 glasses of water a day...FREE PROZAC!!!

gg
:o)

P.S. Sorry for your unexplained loss though.

 

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Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#8)
by andreat6777 on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 06:14:12 AM PST

Things seem to have stablized and my split tail male is doing very well.  Guppy girl--you are hilarious!  Poof and voila--that's about how it was the last time I had a guppy tank and everything went fine.    I knew I couldn't have dumbed down that much ;)  LOL.    



Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 08:46:09 AM PST

guppy's tail could be healed. That hasn't changed much.

However, the amount of chemicals which water departments are putting in the water - chlorine to kill germs, ammonia (just what our fish and children need!) to bond with the chlorine as chloramine to keep the chlorine from boiling out and an aluminum compound (probably alum) to raise the pH in the water so that lead doesn't leak out of aging pipes, has increased. That doesn't count what environmental challenges the rest of us have left in the water. And the Bush administration, like them as I may in some ways, is retreating on controlling air pollution and its proposed new rules on mercury may prove to be one of the most cynical governmental environmental retreats in maybe a century of American history.

Also, the widespread use of antibiotics for human diseases and in the livestock industries may be helping whole generations of antibiotic resistant strains of various diseases to appear on the scene. A chemist friend pointed out that in the cattle industry, "they" simply put antibiotics in the cattle food. That may be cheaper and easier than giving each animal a shot, but most of that medicine just passes through their bodies and (eventually) into our streams and water supplies.

Other medicinal items are also showing up in the environment. In the Trinity River, a system in Texas which drains the sanitation facilities of a large population area, a recent study (alluded to on the NANFA mailing list) found the concentration of Prozac to be enough that prey fish like small bluegills were increasingly laid back about avoiding predators.

Anyone reading this, please feel free to correct any errors of fact or overstatement, but on the whole it seems that ours is an increasingly challenging world just in terms of keeping aquariums safe for our fish.

You aren't dumbing down. The world and water supplies are more difficult to deal with. Long gone are the days when I, as a kid, could use my finger to measure water temperature out of the faucet and routinely change the water in my goldfish bowl with straight tap water!

Cautionarilly yours,
uncle scott

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Re: Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#13)
by miskairal on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 02:29:51 PM PST

Well I'm ashamed to say I laughed reading about the laid back fish but it is tragic! This will devastate water systems.

My hubby heard that in Brisbane they want to treat sewerage and send it to the Lockyer Valley to be used on all the small crop farms. Only problem is that the antibiotics levels are too high even in the treated sewerage. I mean how many people are taking antibiotics for so much to be present in the effluent?

Hey gg, maybe this prozac water would be useful when we want to transport fish - Stress Free Fish Transportation :)
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Re: Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#14)
by guppygirl on Sat Apr 23, 2005 at 03:05:56 AM PST

Hey, don't laugh Miskairal,

One of the former members here, finally gave up on purchasing any fish from a LFS.

She excitedly placed her first, rather expensive, order for new guppys online.

When the fish arrived they appeared to be ill, and she called the company immediately.

They told her they are fine and would "perk up" once the mild anesthesia worked it's way out of their systems.

BOOO-HISSS!!!

gg
:o)

 

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Re: Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#15)
by miskairal on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:56:36 PM PST

Did they perk up? Well if it means the fish has a better chance at survival and it's only a one off then I don't really have a problem with it.

Hmm, thinking, thinking....
I have over 200 goats to truck on a 4 hour journey soon - where is that Prozac water exactly ;)
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Re: Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#16)
by guppygirl on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 03:28:21 AM PST

Hummm,

I have two juvenile delinquents that have been casing my house, that the police can't do anything about because they are minors.

RACE YOU TO IT!!!!

gg
:o)


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Re: Kudos for providing an environment where the (none / 0) (#17)
by miskairal on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:07:45 PM PST

Hahaaa!
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I think this Columnaris outbreak (none / 0) (#10)
by maggie1270 on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 11:55:26 AM PST

could be the prime example of overmedicating fish and now there are strains out there that, once we bring the fish home and find that we have unwelcome visitors (no, I'm not talking about the inlaws) there is no way of getting rid of them.  A whole community can be wiped out within weeks or even days of coming in contact with the parasite.
Maggie
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Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#6)
by andreat6777 on Thu Apr 14, 2005 at 06:49:12 AM PST

Thanks for the advice.  I do remember that several of the dead fish I have had recently had red spots on their bellies?  I'm going to research columnaris.   Hoping to find pictures.  
My brother gave me a 10 gal guppy tank when I was 13 and I had less problems then.  Guess I've dumbed down in the past 14 years. Or I have more rotten luck.    



Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#7)
by guppygirl on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 03:01:41 AM PST

Hi andreat6777,

Don't be so hard on yourself, many of us can "remember when" we started our first tanks using the; buy tank, add water, wait three days, add fish, poof-voila approach. And it did work.

Now, with all our "knowledge", we wonder how we ever had a fish survive past day three "in the good ole days".

Many of us have come to the decision that things were just different back then, and so this was possible.

It sure beats (for some of us) thinking that we've been dumbing down for DECADES!!!!

Good Luck, and keep us posted!!!

gg
:o)  

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Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#3)
by maggie1270 on Wed Apr 13, 2005 at 04:17:21 AM PST

I would add more aquarium salt and if that doesn't seem to help him and you can afford it, maybe pick up a fungus cure to help move things along.
Maggie


Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#1)
by maggie1270 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 05:35:49 PM PST

Hi Andreat677. I think the main question is did you do a fishless cycle before adding fish to your new tanks.  If not, you probably should have waited at least a month, or at least that I what I've done in the past to my 20 gallon.  Although, for the smaller tanks less than 10, I've waited only 2 weeks before adding fry, but they produce such little waste when first born, it was probably not enough of a burden to cause problems.

If your guy is doing ok, I would wait at least 2 weeks, more if you have more patience than I.  This way your tank can adjust and hopefully whatever the other fish brought home can clear out.
Maggie



Re: How long to quarantine seemingly healthy guppy (none / 0) (#2)
by andreat6777 on Wed Apr 13, 2005 at 04:14:33 AM PST

Now my other tank is showing fungus.  ARRRGGGHH.  I know EXACTLY where that came from too as I actually bought 4 guppies to put in there and one died the next day and had that stuff growing on it.  I thought that had been the end of it but apparently not.  Looks like things will be staying as they have been for a while.

Maggie, thanks for the tip.  I was thinking 2 weeks might be sufficent but wasn't sure.  With this fungus showing up over there now, I won't be adding him even in that period of time.  

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Andrea, fungus is that long hairy stuff (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Apr 13, 2005 at 08:50:01 PM PST

which forms on dead tissue. If a fish is put into a salt water bath (marine level at a specific gravity of about 1.023 by a hydrometer) the fungus may lift right off. The exposed living tissue, in clean water, has a good chance of healing.

If the fish shows a lot of distress, return it to the fresh water.

Sometimes however, we mistake Columnaris for fungus. Google image search for Columnaris or Flexibactor columnaris. Also check out the threads on it in the Immediate Help section.

I really hope that what your fish are facing is not Flexibacter columnaris, as it is a fast-acting killer. If you are really dealing with that though, fungus treatments are not very useful.

Hoping for the best.
uncle scott

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Re: Andrea, fungus is that long hairy stuff (none / 0) (#5)
by maggie1270 on Thu Apr 14, 2005 at 03:36:06 AM PST

Actually I've found that once the symptoms have started showing, not even the Columnaris medications help.  The only fish I've seen recover are my 3 kuhli loaches.  Everything else died off, including an algae eater.
Maggie
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