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By netnerd
from the -NetNerd- department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:17:37 PM PST
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I was wanting to know if weather clown loaches laid eggs or whether they didn't. And also I have a 20 gallon tank with
1 - gold fish
3 - guppies
2 - ballon mollies
4 - tetras
2 - platies
1 - swordtail
3 - sucking catfish
2 - clown loaches

Is this what you would consider "over population" or what because I don't really know whether I am able to put a mate in for goldy and the swordtail??



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Lots of questions | 8 comments (8 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: -NETNERD- (none / 0) (#6)
by netnerd on Fri Sep 24, 2004 at 02:16:35 AM PST

(Forgot to put this bit in) I have also read that it buggers up their body system when they are up to "guppy standards" of heat

-NETNERD-



Re: -NETNERD- (none / 0) (#5)
by netnerd on Fri Sep 24, 2004 at 02:14:07 AM PST

I have read up on goldfish.
I got this fish because my aunties freind has a 2yr old son and for his birthday he recieved this goldfish, the boy kept on trying to poke the goldfish, and the mother did not want it so i had to try to find a mate who would take her on. That day i decided to keep her seeing as i wouldn't be able to find a home for him because all of my freinds seemed to have tropical tank or their tank was smaller and already had the "right" amount of fish the tank could accomadate.

When i got her she was in a tiny travel tank were it could hardly move and was completly stunk and was REALLY merky. i upgraded from a 5-20gal so that is why i came to the conclusion that i would move the other fish into the 5 gal with-in-reason to their size and just have old thumper in the 20gallon because i know that goldfish are meant to have 10gals per fish so if i put thumper into the 5gal he will be without the right area to move around in-and if i leave her and move the others then they should be happy little campers.

-THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS ABLE TO HELP ME OUT WITH MY QUESTIONS :) APPRECIATE IT BIG TIME :)!!!

-NETNERD-



Re: Lots of questions (none / 0) (#3)
by fishboy123 on Wed Sep 22, 2004 at 10:01:34 AM PST

i agree with not having a gold fish in a tropical aquarium i suggest maybe buying a large fish bowl?
and it is very hard to breed clown loaches because as guppies said it is very hard to get their breeding environment at home. Forisntence my friends dad has two clown loaches male and female he has had them for about 13 years and has never had babys. hope this helps,
fishboy123



Re: -NETNERD- (none / 0) (#7)
by netnerd on Sat Sep 25, 2004 at 11:11:00 PM PST

I read that fish bowls are bad for goldfish and that because they do not recieve the correct filteration, size and that the smell sinks into the plastic!

-NETNERD-


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All good points NN. (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 12:05:44 PM PST

A large glass chamber can be fine for a small goldfish or three for a little while until they grow. They can present a charming image on a table.  I hadn't though in a while of the tendancy of plastic to absorb materials from a variety of sources - including those pretty blue and green medicinal dyes. You are of course, correct. Another danger is that if they spend much time in the sun, they get brittle and fragile.

A plastic bowl is a good investment if one needs a temporary holding container for fish while a tank is being cleaned up or when fry are being rounded up. We are penny wise and pound foolish in using them regularly.

There are some small plastic tanks by Lustar and the critter keeper folks which are good temporary  fry holders. They can be quite expensive. A lot of clubs use them for species shows. But in time they too get scrapped and cloudy and can get brittle.

All the best,
unc;e scott

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Re: Lots of questions (none / 0) (#1)
by gupppies on Wed Sep 22, 2004 at 01:00:48 AM PST

You probably have a few too many in that tank, especially with the gold fish. They are really dirty and create a lot of waste, they are really a cold water fish as well. Having said that, I keep one goldfish in my community tank which I can't bear to get rid of (it's one of the first fish I owned). You certainly don't want to add any more fish to your tank, or you could run into some big problems.



Re: Lots of questions (none / 0) (#2)
by guppygirl on Wed Sep 22, 2004 at 08:46:24 AM PST

I agree with gupppies as to the number of fish that you have.

As far as I'm aware Clown Loaches do lay eggs, however from what I've read, getting them to breed in captivity requires expert breeding skills.

According to Dr. Liem of Djakarta, Clown Loaches spawn during the rainy season in foaming, fast flowing, spring-fed streams.

You can see the difficulties in trying to replicate this environment at home.

Take care,
gg
:o)


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Good call on the loach GG. I read (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Sep 22, 2004 at 11:05:56 AM PST

weather loach! Those are from Europe and China, and like all loaches and all Cyprinids (the huge family they belong to) lay eggs. A good starting point (aside from a Google search) to find more info might be
http://www.loaches.com/index.html

If your swordtail is male, he is probably inseminating your platys. If the sword is a female, the male platys are probably trying to imseminate her. Their offspring could be interesting, maybe intermediate.

As mentioned, goldie is an omnivore and will defecate a lot. (Poop happens, more so in the goldfish's case.) Commercial goldfish food is unusual in that it not only is a good part of it veggie material, but also there are starch items not usually found in fish foods.

They are cold water fish and usually need a cooling cycle in the winter season. They are also Cyprinids. In their second or third year (or when about 4 inches/ 10 cm) they may have grown enough to be ready to spawn - if they had a cool season. You may want to get goldy a couple of companions (4-6) so that there will be both males and females. Your bowl for them should hold 20-55 gallons (75-210 liters) or more! I would recommend tanks.

Given good care, they can live for 10-25 years. (Just figure out what age we will be and where we will be 20 years from now.) Most never live very long because they come from the farm carrying a lot of parasites. Many also perish because of newbie care and bowls which are far, far too small for them to live healthy and happy lives in. And then new gold fish keepers ask, "What water changes?" :(

If those guys sound long lived, koi (the colored pond carp) have lived over a 100 years! We seldom think about how long a fish can live when we shop for them.

When the spring warms their waters up to the 60s or 70s (16-23 C) the males will develop tubercles, (which sounds better than pimples) which are evidentially contact organs. They may gang spawn and will produce 100s or 10,000s of eggs. A bunch of plants or spawning mops will provide surface for them to settle on. Parents are egg eaters, but in nature some eggs will survive. You could remove the parents (the tank will need a lot of water changes because of the left over materials from the spawning anyway) or the eggs can be removed and put in a large tank, vat or pond. In a week or so, the healthy eggs will hatch. Grazing in a pond, supplemented with newly hatched baby brine shrimp (bbs) and tiny pellet food  especially designed for them and those sliced veggies will serve them well.

Goldfish and weather loaches are spawned commercially in warm climates. I don't know if "they" have found a way to get those temperate zone fish around a cold spell or whether they just inject them with hormones.

Your sucking catfish probably belongs to a large group of South American fishes called Loricariids or family Loricariidae. There are over 1,000 species in that group. Yours, if (pond) bred in commercial channels, may be a member of the genus Hypostomus. Plecostomus is a genuine species name, but is used in a general sense for a lot of other fishes.

Most are vegetarians and a lot starve because they are incorrectly fed. They might actually do better on the goldfish flakes than the other stuff. Also drop them spirulina tablets, slices of zucchini or cucumber. If they have a hard time eating those veggies, they could be lightly blanched on the stove or left in the microwave a minute. Those slices should then sink. Some people just run a new steel nail or screw though them and let them sink.

They can get over a foot/ 30 cm long, if it is one of the species I'm guessing. ALL OF US have bought fish, unaware of their eventual size, foods, or life spans. A sign of a person maturing in the aquarist's craft is that they will look for those things. And they will still be guilty of an occasional impulse purchase. ;)

All the best,
unc;e scott

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