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Gravel Vacc and Plants

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By miskairal
from the miskairal department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:17:45 PM PST
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Short and sweet this time :)



How do you gravel vac round plants? I want heaps of live plants (more than I have now) but I NEED to vacuum the gravel because it is quite large and much gets stuck down between the pieces.

Is there a secret on how to do this properly without damaging plant roots?

Thanks
miskairal

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Gravel Vacc and Plants | 14 comments (14 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 1) (#7)
by guppygirl on Wed Jul 28, 2004 at 12:43:23 PM PST

Now feel free to disagree with me on this one.

Generally, I just try to vacuum around them gently.

I dig a hole nearby in the gravel, and then keeping the vac end down on the glass bottom of the tank, slowly move it around the root area.

I don't worry if I don't get all the gunk because every 6 months or so, I gently pull up my plants, vacuum thououghly, and replace them.

I have this need to rearrange my tanks' designs about that often.

I agree with Angelee about getting some type of reference book on plants. I'm planning on picking one up soon so I can rearrange with some new flora, and learn more about the benefits/expenses involved in potting your own plants.

Hope this was of some help.
gg
:o)




Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 1) (#8)
by miskairal on Wed Jul 28, 2004 at 08:28:19 PM PST

Rearranging the "furniture" is a female thing gg :))
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Re: female thing to do... (none / 0) (#10)
by guppygirl on Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 04:31:46 AM PST

Busted!!!!
:o)

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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#6)
by Angelee on Wed Jul 28, 2004 at 11:46:40 AM PST

  I very carefully vacuum around the roots.  You know a suggestion might be to get a book on just aquarium plants.  You'll be able to find out which ones are the heavy feeders or what not. I've found my plant books quite handy regarding questions like these.  Keep in mind though that leaving uneaten food bits in the root area isn't a great idea. I like Scott's suggestion about the pots, if you're a militant gravel vacuumer.  This way, the roots can't be hurt.  Just be sure that you clean out the pots every so often and replace with new fertilizer.  You could develop problems with a small breeding ground of nasty bacteria, if you don't.  (I know that one from experience, thank you)
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE


Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#9)
by miskairal on Wed Jul 28, 2004 at 08:32:45 PM PST

Hi Angelee and thanks,

I think I'll work on the pot idea. When you say clean out the pots every once in a while, do you mean every month or every 6 months? If it's every 6 months I'll try it, if it's every month then they can take their chances with my gravel vac :)

miskairal
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#11)
by Angelee on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 06:43:12 PM PST

   Depends on the type of pot.  I also replace the fertilizer in the pot when I clean them out. As a rule, I try to clean them out every two weeks, but I'm the militant gravel vaccummer type.  Like GG I also do the female thing and rearrange the furniture.:)  In some of my tanks, I have fish that rearrange for me though.  
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#12)
by miskairal on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 07:42:33 PM PST

Oh, ok.
Looks like my plants will have to take their chances until the kidding season is over at least ;)

What do you use to fertilize with? Sorry about all the questions but despite thinking I've learnt how to do something I still make mistakes with the fish.

Thanks
miskairal
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#13)
by Angelee on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 09:25:35 PM PST

   I use aquarium plant fertilizer, of course.  Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!  The stuff I use comes in a green box.  The fertilizer looks like, well pebbles.  The type of fertilizer depends on the plants, but make sure it's the type that can be added to your fish tank without killing any fish.  Sometimes, invertabraes have trouble with some types.  Look on the back of the package, they should sell it at most LFS stores.  Oh, and I have tried the liquid kind,  HATED IT.  It didn't do my plants justice. I like something I can bury in the gravel next to the plant.
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 0) (#14)
by miskairal on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 02:11:40 AM PST

Hmmm...
Sounds simialar to the stuff I used that I SUSPECT may have turned my water green. I haven't been game use it again but I think I'll give it another try in the fry tank and see what happens.

Thanks for everything Angelee

miskairal
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 1) (#1)
by gupppies on Fri Jul 23, 2004 at 02:56:33 AM PST

For years I have been using a large gravel vac in my 4 ft tank. I had much the same problems reaching between plants and driftwood etc. Recently I bought a much smaller vac for use in my fry tanks. I decided to give it a try in my large tank, and was surprised that it did a much better job. I was able to reach most spots that had been hard to reach, and because the hose is smaller I can do a much more thorough job and do the entire tank because the water doesn't run out as fast. It takes about twice as long, but the result is a cleaner tank.



Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 1) (#2)
by miskairal on Fri Jul 23, 2004 at 09:47:16 PM PST

What about round the plant roots? Do you sort of steer clear of roots or do you just get in amongst them?

Thanks for your help gupppies
I will look for a smaller gravel vac when next in Maroochydore

miskairal
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Re: Gravel Vacc and Plants (none / 1) (#3)
by gupppies on Sat Jul 24, 2004 at 05:00:35 AM PST

I still vacuum around them, I just don't push down hard so I don't damage them. The loose waste is still sucked up.

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That sounds about right Gupppies. (none / 1) (#4)
by unclescott on Sat Jul 24, 2004 at 08:26:58 AM PST

Rooted plants need some of that goop in the gravel. Sword plants are such heavy feeders i don't even bother with them.

Cryptocoryns, except for Crypt. affinis (sometimes still called harteliana), do better if planted in "old" gravel (a year old or six months in a heavily populated tank). Usually slow growing plants, you should see what a CO2 infuser and half way decent light can do for them! (Not mine - darn. Oh wait, not yet.... heh-heh.)

A way around this - somewhat - is to plant your rooted plants in pots or plastic food containers. Fertilizer, laterite and what have you can be placed in there and covered with a layer of fine gravel after the plant is planted.

The draw back is that dead spots can form in the gravel under the pots - especially if an u.g. filter is used. I suppose one could pull the pots up and gravel vac around there. I'd never get that done though. I also feel that pots limit the reproductive spread of some very desirable plants.

A compromise is to place the pots in an otherwise bare bottomed tank. Not quite as attractive, but the tank is easier to clean.

All the best!
Scott Davis

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Re: That sounds about right Gupppies. (none / 1) (#5)
by miskairal on Sat Jul 24, 2004 at 10:21:06 PM PST

Thanks to you both for your replies. I'm sure I can arrange to leave plenty (but not too much) "goop" around the roots.

I guess they don't gravel vacc at all in those beautiful fully planted tanks I've seen photos of on the net? I've often wondered about that.

Thanks again
miskairal
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