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Algae Bloom/Green Water

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By miskairal
from the miskairal department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:18:56 PM PST
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I've obvioulsy totally upset my tank and need some advice ASAP as I can't stand looking at it any longer.



Where do I begin?
OK 100 litre (26 US gall)tank with about 60 male guppies (don't say it) who have been "flicking" their bodies over the multitude of live plants on and off.

Had a spending spree on my days off at an aquarium and like an idiot started using everything on the same day so now I don't know what exactly has caused this major algae bloom where I can almost no longer see my beautiful fish.

This is what I added/changed after doing my regular 25% water change.
1. For the flicking (possible gill and body flukes) - a product called Sterazin made by Waterlife with "secret" ingredients I assume as I can't find out anything. It is a dark blue liquid with directions to add x amount on days 1, 3, 6, 8 and 10 which I've done.

2. Sera flore plus plant fertilizer tabs to be used at 1 tablet per 20 litres but I only used 4. Once again has "secret" ingredients.

3. Carnivorous pellets food

4. Algae wafer food

The water turned slightly cloudy within a day or so from memory. On Day 6 I did a 25% water change again and then yesterday (Day 10)did a 50% water change both before adding the Sterazin. The pH has shot up to greater than or equal to 7.6 from 7.2 but maybe the reading is inaccurate due to the water colour?

Nitrates were 10 but I haven't checked them again. Actually I'm unsure how much this green water will affect the readings anyway???

The tank was getting an hour of early morning sun for weeks but now I'm out milking when/if the sun hits it so I don't know what is happening there.

Temperature is up around 26-27°C (78-80) but I can't seem to get the heater lower and don't want to spend more money on the fish right now.

The fish are still "flicking" and the water is green! Gee I did well :(   Plants (what I can see of them) are alive though ;)

Tomorrow I'm going to do another gravel vacc and try to suck out/find the fertilizer tabs I buried in the gravel as directed. I have covered the tank so that the sun can't hit it. I will also be adding charcoal back in the filter to remove (I hope) the last of the medication.

PLEASE can anyone tell me what caused this or what I should or shouldn't be doing to clear it up? It's really making me feel like giving up on fish keeping!

miskairal

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Algae Bloom/Green Water | 8 comments (6 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
It's clearing! (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:45:20 AM PST

I covered the whole tank for about 22 hours a day.

Basically only opened it up so I could check it out and make sure nothing had died etc. I turned the light on and gave them a small feed and covered it all up again about 2 hours later.

It's still covered now but I can tell the green is almost gone - I can see the fish at the back of the tank again. That is along with the water changes and very thorough gravel vaccs.

The plants look to have survived but then they may take a while to show their dislike of the dark.

It only occurred to me today that maybe our late winter afternoon sun is hitting the tank as well from the other side of the house (I'm milking then too so can't check it).

Many people are amused that we don't have curtains - no need, no houses around for kilometres so it will be odd if I put up curtains just for the fish tank :)

miskairal
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It's greening up again! (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:25:44 AM PST

And I'm delighted! Of course this is in reference to the 20 gallon tank which clears every May and gets green again in July as the afternoon sunlight "returns". The daphnia cultures will feed especially well and if the young millenium rainbows ever leave many eggs, there will be greenwater for the fry. :)

In the meantime, the Ameca splendens in the greenwater tank don't mind the green. They may even appreciate the slightly better (lower nitrate & ammonia) water quality. A female looks ready to drop her 1/2 inch fry.

Clearly, or is that cloudily? different strokes for different folks. :)

Wouldn't want that in the other tanks though.

All the best,
u.s.

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Re: Algae Bloom/Green Water (none / 0) (#1)
by Scott Lockwood on Sun Jul 11, 2004 at 07:35:58 AM PST

Change the water about 10 to 15% each day until it goes away - vacuum the bottom, and reduce the amount of food that is going into the tank.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker



As Maggie suggested, the flashing could be a sign (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Sun Jul 11, 2004 at 08:18:45 PM PST

of parasites. At least one author suggests that a certain level of nitrates can also cause it -especially in a crowded tank. It may be time to introduce the few pug-ugly males to your silver shark. :(

Green water is one of those things you get when you don't want it and can't keep when you want it! Lots of light, plenty of fish waste in the water and (get this!) nutrients from the new water in water changes all will help fuel an algae bloom.

Sometimes an hour or two of sunlight, each day, will help turn a tank green. I had a couple of small tanks (one guppy tank, one Endler's) recently turn green. They both seemed healthy despite the fact that "the joint was jumping." They almost completely cleared in the last two days. Except for feeding the residents, nothing was done to them.

My guess is that they have been lit up by the summer sun the last two months. As the sun's angle "moves" back south, it is no longer shining on them.

Most of the greenwater precipitated out. I need to vac those tanks when I get done with this note. I'll use the Guppygirl Narrow Tube Mini-Gravel Vacuum TM so no fry get pulled out. (Siphoning into a white bucket will also help spot fry.)

Green water is mostly made up of those microscopic protists (moving little animal like things with chlorophyll) which we read about in biology. Aged members of GL will remember them as protozoans - what they were called before they were given their own kingdom.

An inexpensive microscope at 30x will reveal a lot of wee creatures such as Paramecium, Euglena and many other one-celled and multiple celled creatures. Any introduction to microscopes book will show you what these look like (or an old biology book). All established aquariums have them. The light + nitrogenous wastes + the minerals in the water changes help them multiply in far greater numbers than usual.

Why do some of us actually encourage (i.e. struggle to raise) the stuff? I find it the safest - and one of the best - foods for Daphnia cultures. Some people have found a small greenwater tank will actually serve as a good hospital tank for a fish, which has gotten a little chewed up. Others will suggest that it may be beneficial to the growth and color of fry (if you don't mind not seeing them too much).

Indeed if you are going to raise tiny fry like those of the rainbowfish, lampeyes, ricefish, or Anabandids, you will have a lot more "luck" raising them in greenwater with a clean up crew of snails and light feedings of a commercial egg layer first food (APR, Tetra E...)

I would guess that it could be physically removed by a diatom filter, a canister filter with diatomaceous earth in it or maybe an already dirty sponge filter. Others here will have more experience in this area of microfiltration.

I have purposely killed it off by covering the top of the tank with a heavy carpet of floating plants. However I'm usually trying too hard to grow the stuff.

Interestingly, an article in an aquarium plant hobby magazine several years ago contended that greenwater actually will limit or completely absorb the nitrates!

If it dies off at once nitrate counts may go up. If the moribund green stuff on the tank bottom is not siphoned off, nitrates may go up again.
(If any other sign of trouble accompanies the die off - a dubious smell for instance, change out the whole tank.)

Sometimes there are small pockets of dirt on the tank bottom. You seem to do a great job of gravel vacuuming, but you might double check. You already are taking measures to limit sunlight.

(Just a white or vanilla paper taped to the sunny sides of the tank will do it. Newpaper could be used for the more literate guppies. Dark hued paper could absorb some heat).

Maybe feed a little less. Trim the population (easier said than done). Can you give some of those guppies back to your Mom? ;) Would a shop take any?

Note that limiting greenwater is similar to limiting algae. However there have been some amusing situations where the more a person partially changed water, the greener the tank got! So the treatments are not exactly the same. Limit animal generated nutrients, maybe population size, light, dirt in the tank and (somehow) the introduction of too many new minerals into the tank. ;)

Probably if you can cut a couple of those factors, the green will fade.

If you have the time, check out these previous GL discussions which touch on the topic of green water:

Algae  
By Geo3383
from the Geo3383 department, Section Diaries
Posted on Fri May 7th, 2004 at 03:50:58 PST

Need help with a green tank
By Scott Lockwood [Edit User], Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Sun Aug 3rd, 2003 at 14:01:45 PST  

Major Algae Bloom  
By GuppyAdict, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Tue Sep 16th, 2003 at 02:26:13 PST

Good luck and all the best!
Scott Davis

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Re: Everything by Scott and Scott (none / 0) (#5)
by miskairal on Sun Jul 11, 2004 at 08:43:22 PM PST

Thanks Scott and Scott,

I sure hope it does go away!

I've reduced feeding to once a day and way less, flakes only.

Short of adding that clove oil to the tank I have no way of getting rid of the fish. They didn't come from my Mum, they bred here after I inherited the tank.

I had read 2 of the previous posts you mentioned us via the search (yesterday) function but can't find geo's that way.

If I cover the top of the tank with duck weed (easily available here) it will possible kill off my purchased plants by blocking their light. Mind you they aren't getting any at the moment anyway.

I"m still guessing the plant fertilizer tabs triggered the bloom.

miskairal
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The addition of that fertilizer could well have (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Mon Jul 12, 2004 at 07:32:56 AM PST

triggered the bloom. Try the duck weed for a bit. When the water clears, get rid of it. Well try getting rid of it.

A number of us have had duckweed choke out more desirable plants. Without an airline there is a modest over night threat of reduced oxygen in the tank too. Rather like inviting the tiger to eat the mice. ;)

It does ok as garden mulch. (Of course then the dog has a green nose.)

All the best,
us

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