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Big Gold Snail

Behavior
By miskairal
from the miskairal department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:18:59 PM PST
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This morning I bought 3 of those big gold snails, one for each tank of guppies but...



(G'day all)

In the newest tank with the young males, two of the males are constantly picking at the snail. They just won't leave it alone. At first the snail tried to shut up shop but now it's sort of half open and when the guppies pick it "flinches".

I couldn't stand sitting here watching the poor thing any longer so have moved it to another tank. I really wanted the snail in it's first tank as I have not yet found the ideal between lights off/plants dying and lights on/algae thriving.

Will the guppies kill the snail? Are guppies known to kill these big snails? The 2 "meanies" look identical and are probably out of the same "litter". If I was really keen, maybe I could put the snail in at night - will the snail feed at night?

Bonus - the pet shop are going to give me this beautiful plant that has grown on a piece of driftwood because I am such a good customer ;)

Also - I got all my test kits and have tested everything. All results are what they should be except in the tank that was setup last year the Nitrates are 80 (Ammonia and Nitrites 0). I had decreased the amount of light on this tank and the plants don't look quite as good as they used. Could this be the cause? I did a 20% water change and tested again 24 hours later and it was still 80. Is this OK or should I work a lot harder at getting it down?

Thanks
miskairal

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Big Gold Snail | 16 comments (16 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Big Gold Snail (none / 0) (#15)
by moonphareez on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 04:17:02 PM PST

My big gold snail EATS my guppies! No kidding! If they are hanging out around the bottom, getting ready to have babies.. he eats them. I have SEEN him do this. He caught its tail and began eating it. I saw him eating two others, but I assumed they were already dead when he started. We saw him last night though, with a live one. That guppy is still alive (after being rescued) so I dont think it was sick or dying.  just Food for thought.



Re: Big Gold Snail (none / 0) (#8)
by Angelee on Mon May 10, 2004 at 12:05:38 PM PST

    One snail, two snail, three snail, ten.  Be careful what you wish for.:)  
    I have had some small pond snails try to take over, the eggs on those look kind of clear, like small bubbles.  Those little suckers will leave them on the glass, not just the plants.  I guess other than that they look clear, kind of snotty in consistency and, you'll know when they hatch.  
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE


Re: Big Gold Snail (none / 0) (#13)
by PaSCaLQT on Sun Jul 11, 2004 at 10:08:38 AM PST

i had two large snails that i bought for my tank.. then about 3months later i had little ones...then more little ones.. then more little ones.. and so on. Right now I have about 50 - 100 snails! Lucky for me, my petshop buys them.. so i'm making a fortune off those little guys! :)
You're only young once, but can be immature forever!
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Re: Big Gold Snail (none / 0) (#16)
by moonphareez on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 04:19:06 PM PST

I dont know if you know, but  Clown Loches (sp?) eat baby snails. We had hundreds, and we got two of those fish, and they were gone in about a week. (the snails, not the fish). They are also guppy friendly tank mates. :)

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Re: Big Gold Snail (none / 0) (#14)
by PaSCaLQT on Sun Jul 11, 2004 at 10:09:28 AM PST

oh.. and feel free to watch them on my webcam! (on my site)
You're only young once, but can be immature forever!
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If you have never seen Apple Snail eggs (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Tue May 11, 2004 at 01:56:56 PM PST

or you haven't had the opportunity to explore that apple snail site, take a look at the following.

http://www.applesnail.net/
Embryology

Reproductive system - bottom of page

Pomacea
Ampullaridae

http://www.applesnail.net/content/photos/photo_eggs_2.htm

(For more, search for Pomacea and Ampullaridae.)

One of the shots even shows the female laying eggs. They show several eggs "moving" along her epidermus from where the eggs were released to the point of deposit.

That is weirdly fascinating. Ours released one egg at a time and moved it to the pile before the release of another previously fertilized egg.

Not having the time to check, at the moment, I still wonder if the color of eggs or the style of laying them is one of the keys towards identifying the species.

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Re: If you have never seen Apple Snail eggs (none / 0) (#10)
by Angelee on Fri May 14, 2004 at 07:36:40 AM PST

   I checked out that URL, yuck.  I agree, oddly fascinating.  It's interesting that the little pond snails tend to lay them far below the water line, while apple snails are above the water line.  You have to look really hard to find the pond snail eggs, they look completely different.
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Were these Big Gold Snails sold as mystery snails? (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Thu May 06, 2004 at 10:10:13 PM PST

There are several apple snails, almost all of whom are voracious plant eaters. The mystery snail is pretty gentle. I got clipped (but not as badly as my plants) when the "mystery snails" we were sold, bred like crazy, leaving many collections of eggs in the humid area above the water. (If those eggs are submerged, they will drown.) Then our "mystery snails" showed their true character and ravaged several tanks of plants as they got bigger!

There is also a golden snail imported into Taiwan as a food crop. They got loose there and have spread all over Southeast Asia and (according to an article in the site mentioned below) even to Australia. They can be a pest and a vector for diseases which can harm humans.

Don't let them go if they become too numerous.

Also watch them to see if they just eat flake food or if they also munch plants.

This has been an interesting week for reports of bullying male guppies. You can try to lower the temperature a couple of degrees while changing more water and yet feeding them more. If that doesn't work, you may have to remove the male.

I wonder if putting them with more company would make a difference? That is not trying to be sadistic and putting them with even bigger bullies. Although I wonder ... ;)

It's neat that your LFS has come to know you well enough to present you with that plant and driftwood. Could the plant be a fern such as a Java fern (Microsorum) or Bolbitis? They can be easily "trained" to grab logs.

See http://www.applesnail.net/

All the best!
u.s.



Re: Were these Big Gold Snails ... (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Fri May 07, 2004 at 02:41:19 AM PST

Oh crikey, what have I done now?
I should have researched!!

I've been so good each week when I went to check if my test kits had arrived and came home with no fish. The kits were there last week so this week I gave myself the excuse for a visit - I needed a smaller net for catching the young fish amongst the plants - well I thought it was a good excuse ;)

So after forcing myself not to bring home a beautiful blue male guppy and to wait to get the plant on the driftwood until I'd been back to guppylog to re-read your article about "treating" new plants, I then turned round and spotted the snails. Picturing in my mind the algae, I thought (Maybe I shouldn't think) ahhh this is what I need and a spur of the moment decision later I had parted with some more $$$$ on fish (or rather, tank supplements). I have no idea what sort they are as they are the only sort I've ever seen - great big gold things.

So far I've only seen my new snails on the sides of the tank and over the gravel and rocks. I watched one start to climb on a plant and then get off it. Are the eggs easy to see? Can I just remove eggs and prevent the multiplication? What do I do with the eggs? Does it take 2 to tango or can one snail have fertile eggs?

I would never release any animal into the wild deliberately. I say deliberately because I once owned 2 goldfish and ended up with tiny grey/brown snails in the tank by the hundreds. I cleaned out all I could find and threw them outside in the garden thinking they would die. Our house water was in a tank. It was up on very high stilts, like 4 metres to the top of the tank and guess what? Yep you guessed it... the snails that I thought couldn't live out of water thrived after a climb. We never did get rid of them! Luckily for us ( I think??) a few years later our house was moved about 1km because of a lime quarry and the tank was left behind. Touch wood - the snails haven't found us yet and that was 12 years ago.

There are 19 male guppies in the tank including the 2 bullies and there are another 16 males waiting to be moved in as well. I'm trying to get in good with the petshop owner so I can offload some of these fish. I overheard him saying to a customer that he doesn't take fish (goldfish) off people b/c of the disease problems.

I don't know what the plant is yet - will probably have to go searching for that info too when I get it although I will ask.

Off to check out applesnail.net
A big thankyou once again unclescott

miskairal
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Re: Were these Big Gold Snails ... (none / 0) (#3)
by Geo3383 on Fri May 07, 2004 at 03:34:22 AM PST

It's been 2 months since I got my 3 mystery snails 1 for each tank :) and low and behold I got both live baby snails 1 here and there [I got a new 55 gal so I took down 1 of the tanks that had multi live babies that died cuz I never found them during clean up] and I have 4 clutches of eggs above the water line that I have no clue what to do with I don't want that many snails ! I have been thinking of letting them hatch and dropping them into the turtle tank.

They have been solo since I got them so here it is 2 months latter and I have seen live baby snails and egg clutches ! I know snails are both male/female but I am not sure if they are asexual or not. They may just be able to carry sperm for duration until they feel like laying eggs....

I do have a q thou ... do snails give birth to live young and eggs ??


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Different snails species have many ways (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Fri May 07, 2004 at 11:19:20 AM PST

of reproducing. Most species of the small pond snails we are so familiar with (sometimes whether we want to be or not) are usually bisexual. Two snails will couple and fertilize each other. They will leave those little patterned gelatan masses around the tank not long after.

There are also those Malaysian livebearer snails; the little cones who sift under the gravel. They are great for livebearer tanks and plants. As pretty strict carnivors they do a great job of cleaning up. They also move the gravel around and that breaks up gas pockets which could become toxic. Their durability and ability to survive all kinds of efforts to remove them is legendary.

If a person wants to breed egglayers, under no circumstances do you want these guys in a tank. One will think they have very few. But come back a half an hour after lights out. You will not believe how many have climbed out of the gravel and are foraging on the tank sides.

More than one aquarist has been startled to see their gravel lurch to one side and has looked in the glass of whatever they were drinking and has wondered what their spouse really slipped in there. It was just the snails doing a "student body left". ;)

There is also a handsome, larger Japanese livebearing snail, which is spoken of admiringly in aquarium circles. They have gotten loose in places in the Eastern U.S. So again, be careful not to let them go.

The apple snails are male or female, so I'm told. How one identifies the genders I don't know I unless one gets a chance to see females laying eggs above the water's surface. That is a fascinating process to watch as eggs emerge from her body and are conveyed along her skin some distance and placed upon the pile above the water in the warm, humid space under the tank top.

They at any rate figure genders out in warm to hot weather. If the egg mass is dumped into the water, the eggs will drown!

It shouldn't be too hard to control the population. Throw out the egg masses. Of course that is easier said than done.

I actually like the idea of putting the egg mass on top of a rock with the turtles if they eat snails. It is a natural food and should be less exposed to disease than wild snails might be. (And they are easier for us to deal with than small fishes as turtle chow.)

This is being quickly typed off the top of my head  (there's lots of room there anyway.) So this info is certainly subject to revision. :) If the power doesn't go off ... yet again, this will get finished soon.

For further info, google search under the general names given above or check out that Apple snail site already mentioned, As you find scientific names, you will be able to open even more information avenues using them to search.

I understand all too well the impulse to purchase something new and fascinating at a shop. Something you should be able to do, if they offer a creature of interest, is ask if they have a reference book you could look that animal up in. In many cases you can get a pretty quick idea of what is needed to care for that animal and how big they get.

Sometimes the shop benefits by being able to sell you an additional product involved in their care. So it may be in the shop's interest to have a couple of key reference books around.

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Snail Type (none / 0) (#5)
by miskairal on Fri May 07, 2004 at 09:31:35 PM PST

Well they are definitely AppleSnails but despite having sat here with them in my hand while checking out the 3D pics, I still can't tell whether they are the bridgesi or canaliculata. They seem to be a cross of both??

I like the fact they need 2 to reproduce but if I find eggs I will be really brave and remove and crush them quickly.

I will never buy anything from a pet store on the spur of the moment again.

I will never buy anything from a pet store on the spur of the moment again.

I will never buy anything from a pet store on the spur of the moment again.

I will never buy anything from a pet store on the spur of the moment again.
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I will read the Immediate Help
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Re: I will never.. (none / 0) (#11)
by Angelee on Fri May 14, 2004 at 07:42:21 AM PST

(laughing)  Never say never, it'll always come back to bite you in the butt later.  It's like saying, "I will only have one tank of fish." :)  
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Re: I will never.. (none / 0) (#12)
by miskairal on Sat May 15, 2004 at 05:37:49 PM PST

Laughing out loud!
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Re: Good Luck.... (none / 0) (#6)
by guppygirl on Sun May 09, 2004 at 03:54:10 AM PST

miskaial, with your Mantra!!!!  ;o)

Mine was,
I will never buy a fish from that store again.

I will never buy a fish from that store again.

I will never buy a fish from that store again.

Better luck with yours....

gg
:o)

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Re: Good Luck.... (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Sun May 09, 2004 at 07:04:58 PM PST

Giggle, giggle.
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