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Dropsy thoughts

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By miskairal
from the miskairal department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 11:30:00 PM PST
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I've been thinking (not a good idea maybe) about this Dropsy thing so stay with me (it's gonna be long) as I think I should share this idea.



Everything I've read says that dropsy is caused by bacteria or maybe a virus which causes damage to the kidneys which causes the dropsy. No one seems certain what the infective organism is. Why not? Maybe because it is gone by the time symptoms show up and testing is done.

Back to my goats - yes I know we are meant to be discussing guppies but goats are what I know best and I can see a similarity here...

Clostridial bacteria cause Enterotoxaemia more commonly known as Pulpy Kidney. It is thought the bacteria lie dormant in an animal or soil (?water) and are triggered to multiply rapidly producing toxaemia and sudden death. The triggers are thought to be sudden access to lush feed or a dietary change. Treatment is futile and vaccination is used as a prevention. On post mortem examination, there is rarely any definite diagnosis, merely a suggestion of Pulpy Kidney due to the damage found internally.

Do clostridium infect fish? If so, can it be triggered by overfeeding?

My Dropsy fish just died while typing this, he was a yellow cobra :(

Next are the bacteria that cause other infections in my goats. These bacteria also are never isolated by pathology labs - apparently what happens is that the animal's immune system is able to destroy the bacteria but in the process the dying bacteria release deadly toxins which can kill. Treatment is in the form of anti-inflammatory drugs, Flunixin, Ketoprofen. Antibiotics are generally given as well to prevent secondary infection in a weak animal, a mix of Neomycin and Penicillin is my drug of choice for this. Vitamin injections also appear to be beneficial.

If the dropsy is caused by this type of infection, are there any forms of anti-inflammatory or antitoxic drugs that could be used for treatment? Is this why such a limited number of people have cured dropsy - because it depends on the level of toxins produced rather than the killing off of bacteria?

Some people say Dropsy is highly contagious, others say not. Could the "contagious" cases actually be overfeeding and/or bad water triggering the bacterial multiplication, while the "non-contagious" cases be due to a fish that is weakened by stress or another ailment?

I will research more when my internet access/speed has been fixed by our phone company but any input into these thoughts of mine would be appreciated.

miskairal

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Dropsy thoughts | 2 comments (2 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Dropsy thoughts (none / 0) (#1)
by Geo3383 on Thu May 20, 2004 at 03:21:23 AM PST

Ok as far as the goat dropsy / goat thing goes i have not clue. i have been lucky enough to have very few illness in my tank, i have had several deaths but they where all "new" fish.

But your connection problem grabs my attention :)
I am assuming you have dial up and if the phone company was able to help without makeing u do anything i am going to assume the problem was due to line noise. If that is the case a Int. String in your modem could help with the disconnects.
If you add S10=255 to the end of your Int string. [assuming the phone company had you type one in what was it?] What sort of connection speeds do you get? if they are less then 24.0 you may want to think about switching to a more stable protocol. Maybe puting ATZ+MS=V34S10=255 to your codes would help. :) don't have a clue what i am talking about :) thats ok ;) your friendly neighborhood Tech. Support. Geo



Re:Internet connection (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Thu May 20, 2004 at 07:41:22 PM PST

Thanks Geo but they think they've fixed the problem. Yes there was definitley noise to the point where a voice conversation, if you could talk at all, could be disconnected as well!!

Less than 24.0 - well at times it was down to 11 and even 9 - what a joke!! Anyway it was good yesterday, I was here at guppylog catching up quite a bit :)

I've saved you info to my HD for future reference. Oh, and Yes, I know where modem strings go at least but that's about it. BTW, cable will never exist in my lifetime here on our farm, DSL may arrive in about 5 years but I am still too far from the exchange to get it. ISDN and satellite are my only options and way too expensive.

Good luck with your healthy tank. The rest of my fish show no symptoms so far so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

miskairal
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