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Yeah...must be a curse
By squack15 from the sqauck15 department, Section Diaries Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 11:31:46 PM PST Tags: (all tags)

Yeah, ever since I joined this forum I've been plagued w/ disease. Later! -Scott

First I discovered one of my best females had Camallanus. Now my favorite male Flamingo gup has tail rot!!! Oh, the agony!!! Anyway, that all happened in the same aquarium so I believe I have a few problems to deal with. Treatment began first thing this morning when I noticed a small bit of fuz on the males tale. Hopefully I'll get it treated and fixed up in time. Oh, and heres a thought. I started having all these problems when I raised the temperature from 76 to 80 degrees. I wonder if there is temperature where bacteria growth significantly elevates....This might be worth looking in to. Well, have a good day all and hopefully you won't have the problems I'm having.
Later!
-Scott

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Yeah...must be a curse | 7 comments (7 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Yeah...must be a curse (none / 0) (#5)
by squack15 on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 09:31:48 PM PST

I will give him a salt bath. As for the temperature, I'm raising some larger fry in the same aquarium as my breeding guppies so I'm trying to speed up thier metabolism so the babies grow faster and the females gestation is shorter. I will drop the temperature not to relieve a little stress from the older fish. The male is already looking better. Instead of that sick clamped state fish can get in when they're not feeling good, he is up and active as ever. His fins are still rotting away though... so the salt bath will be used. Question, guppies can handle water with marine levels of salt in them? This is new to me, but hey, so are most things I've read on this site:) Thanks for the input, lord knows I need it.
Thanks,
Scott Duckworth

A caution on the salt bath if you are using it (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 10:33:34 PM PST

as a part of the treatment for the bacterial infection (as opposed to a temporary effort to zap the fungus.) Burgess, Bailey and Excell suggest a gradual increase in salt so as ro stress the fish as little as possible.

Don't use table salt. Both Scott L. and I have have near ranted on that topic often.

If you have a ten gallon tank, add a level teaspoon per hour for ten hours. That will give you a 1% solution.

Now in reality most 10 gallon tanks (allegedly 40 L) really contain 6 or 7 gallons of water. Full, mine take about 8.5 gallons of H2O. So if you have an air space at the top, gravel and a couple rocks, figure 6 or 7 level teaspoons per tank.

B.B.& E recommend pre-dissolving it in a jar and then adding it to a tank. There are other ways to add it. I might dump it in the filter box of a power filter (though it could mess up the good guy bacteria). They probably don't want any short term heavy duty concentrations of the stuff in one part of the tank.

G'nite!
unc

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Re: Yeah...must be a curse (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 06:02:22 PM PST

Am I speaking too soon when I say my fish are looking the healthiest they've ever looked since discovering guppylog :) Thanks to everyone here!!

How many Scott's are there at guppylog? You aren't all the same Scott are you ? :))
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I believe I've been told that raising the temp (none / 0) (#1)
by maggie1270 on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 05:43:05 PM PST

speeds up the life cycle of the parasites and such so it's best to raise the temp while medicating.
Maggie

Re: I believe I've been told that raising the temp (none / 0) (#3)
by squack15 on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 06:40:17 PM PST

Oh, I'm not blaming it on guppylog:), its just one of those coincedental things. And sorry about the double *later -Scott* post up there...I'm still getting used the system. This is depressing though. In like 10 hours since I woke up this morning, half his tail has been eaten, thats one potent bacteria. As far as metabolisms go, everything, especially small organisms, metabolisms increase with temperature. But I wonder if it is exponential....I'd say probably so up to a certain point. Anyway, at least the tail will grow back:)

Oh, and I don't think we're the same.....Unless I have a split personality or something:) (Dang, now you have me thinking.....I really hope not....lol)

Ciao!
-Scott D.

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Let's only raise the temp to nail ick. (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 08:57:51 PM PST

I'm not sure 80 degrees F is better for guppies than 74-75. 80 is pretty much at the top of the wide range of wild guppies and also near the top of the less extreme set of ranges for fancy guppies. They would be less stressed 5 or so degrees less. (Walk them down a degree every 12-24 hours. Food and energy they are burning up in their metabolism at 80 degrees they can use for healing at 74-75.

Can you give the male with the fungus on the tail a salt bath? It could be at a marine concentration or even higher? You put him in there until the fungus drops off or he shows stress and needs to be removed back to his tank.
(You may need to buy a "cheap" hydrometer. Get the floating one with the thermometer for convenience if you can. Later it will be very useful in hatching baby brine shrimp.)

Fungus grows where there is dead flesh. In a way fungus is a way nature cleans up.

Hopefully the fungus can be separated from the fish. You mention that you are medicating. What are you using?

You are facing the same dilemma as Maggie. The tail rot/ fin rot is often a bacterial thing, partly a result of dirty water. It could also be Columnaris. Do a 20-25% daily if you have the seasoned water of the same or slightly higher temperature. Add it through a very slow siphon. An airline might work best.

Administer an anti-biotic. It may work with either the bacterial infection or with the Columnaris.

When the tail rot is stopped, change out as much water as you safely can and administer either a straight anthelminitic or a commercial anti-worming medication. Not that it's right, but please consider my response to Maggie's dairy just below this diary.

The reason this seems like "The Curse of GL" is you now have an idea what is happening. The problems would happen anyway. You just would have less idea why.

(I'm listening to a radio talk show with all these experts while responding to your dairy. I'm really bothered by what has happened. But I'm even more alarmed that the U.S. may be in the gravest danger it has been in in 60 years. Knowledge can be a curse if one wants to be blissfully unaware.... at least for a time.)

As to the name game, squack you have signed posts "Scott D". So have I.

LOL
Please tell me that your last name isn't Davis. :)

Good luck and all the best!
u.s. aka Scott Davis

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Re: Let's only raise the temp to nail ick. (none / 0) (#6)
by squack15 on Wed Apr 07, 2004 at 09:46:13 PM PST

P.S. One of my favorite quotes and I have know idea who quoted it is, "Ignorance is Bliss". Even though I would never purposefully live an uneducated life, this quote is so true.

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