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Tranquilized Fish

Health and Medicine
By Angelee
from the Angelee department, Section News
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:20:52 PM PST
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   GG asked me to post this one in News instead of imbedded in text.  I found out that the LFS have been adding increased amounts of traquilizers in their shipments lately.  The reason is either due to rotten weather or newbees at the fish farms.  Entire shipments have arrived DOA.  



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Tranquilized Fish | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Tranquilized Fish (none / 0) (#5)
by GuppyAdict on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 10:03:38 AM PST

Wow, that is scary.  I had no idea they would do such a thing to transport the fish.  I just learned something new today.  



Tranquilizing of Fish is more common that (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 09:25:57 PM PST

we might realize. Some large fish (which probably shouldn't be in the hobby anyway) and some pretty excitable and delicate fish are more easily brought in that way. Without a sedative they would be more likely to hurt themselves or others. Less oxygen is consumed by non-panicking fish, increasing the odds that the shipment will make it. They simply might not be in the hobby otherwise.

In that respect, if those items are used correctly, prices on fish in shipments are lower than they would be. Some wild fish conceivably could be several times what they are price-wise. Prices on farm raised fish would be adjusted up correspondingly.

In public and some private aquaria, fish are anesthetized before an operation.

There evidentially is a lot of tranquilizer use with bait minnows, both in moving them to the dealers and even in the bait buckets! (And later in the lake?)

Using tranqs might tempt shippers to pack yet more fish in the box.

I have even heard of them used to put really sick fish "to sleep." It would be sort of like a lethal injection.

I was really startled by the number of offerings out there. A hastily gathered sample would include:

Jungle's Hypno "Fish Calmer" and bag buddies. The last is widely sold on-line and often used by aquarists in shipping fish or preparing them for auction.

Benzocaine is suggested if used as recommended for anesthesia with recovering salt-water fish (not to be used around reef aquaria with inverts).

Aquatronics makes ProTect.

Trance is sold by the Florida Tropical Fish Farmer's Association store.
http://www.ftffa.com/

TRANQUIL  Fish Calmer for bait fish by SureLife and SHAD-KEEPER are sold by fishing stores and farm supply places.

Universities may use MS-222 or Tricaine Methanesulfonate in the labs. Brand names
include Tricane-S and Finquel. A prescription is needed and it is expensive. Yet Pond and Koi suppliers sometimes sell it.

A number of aquarists on other lists have discovered the relatively gentle "Oil of Cloves" sometimes labeled "Eugenol." It can usually be found in most large pharmacies and health food stores in liquid form in small bottles. In one
case a guy found it in a drug store as "Red Cross Toothache Medication."

I found it sobering that in an ad for MS-222 the writer instructed the person applying it to use surgical gloves! Talk about melting in your hands!

Boy! Yet another reason to add aquarium water to the shipping water and then dump all that down the drain. (Now what of water supplies? In Europe they're getting concerned about the effect digested birth control pills in the water supply may be having on fish and men. In one Texas river system the issue is human tranqs in the water supply.)

Watch your LFS. Are they just floating and dumping the fish in the delivery bag in the tank, water and all? Gently ask the person doing that if they realize how effectively they are inoculating that tank with fish diseases from the farm. Ask them if they have just tranquilized the fish. "And what sir, would be an overdose?"

I think there are legitimate uses for fish tranquilizers.

However, thinking of that Chicago importer's observation (In the GuppyLog - Mollies, Salt and Asian Imports) that certain Asian shippers evidentially had imprecisely added salt to the holding vats "by hand fulls to buckets", one can't help but wonder if they have the same chemically ignorant people treating and packing the fish for export.




Re: Tranquilizing of Fish is more common that (none / 0) (#3)
by Angelee on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 08:06:16 AM PST

I have watched shipments come in at the LFS here.  They dump the fish water and all into their tanks after a brief holding period of about 10 minutes.  This is without adding their own tank water to it, as well.  Needless to say, I no longer shop there. I have never seen them do water changes at this particular chain store, ever.  When I asked about it the stocker was pretty snippy.  Apparantly, they have a secret behind the scenes method of cycling the water from there tanks so that all of their water is replaced repeatly, over and over.  While this is possible, I don't see a mechanism to drain the tanks, just a filter on the side of each tank that creates quite a current.  I could be wrong, but... it would explain why their fish look sickly most of the time.
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Re: Secret, behind the scenes method. (none / 0) (#7)
by guppygirl on Fri Feb 06, 2004 at 05:11:33 AM PST

Hey Angelee,
I've been told that very same story!!!! Reminds me of "The Wizard of OZ", Who's behind the curtain?

It was told to me by an employee, (new I'm sure),
that I had asked to check the pH in their tanks.

When she told me the pH was 6.0 I asked her what tank she tested, and she said, "It doesn't matter, they are all interconnected and are run by the 'water pump thingy' in the back."

"Really", I said, "That probably explains why this fish didn't have a chance, it's supposed to be in water with a pH of at least 7.0."

As I walked out, I thought to myself, "I wonder how the salt that they add to certain tanks knows to stay there? I'd bet that she'd tell me they use 'Smart Salt', or some foolish thing like that."

I try my best not to buy any fish from there anymore.

gg
:o)

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Re: If they told us...they'd have to (none / 0) (#8)
by Angelee on Fri Feb 06, 2004 at 11:09:58 AM PST

    (giggle giggle)  Smart Salt!  Say,.. is that kinda like the average "smart" LFS employee?    
    I was told at the same store that they keep the Ph in all the tanks high (8-8.2)because,..and I quote " All the fish survive better and the shippers use the same ph"  Gee, I wonder how they know that?  Sure they could test the water in the bag, but how do they know for sure?  Incidentally, the ph is fine for african cichlids but,... I'm sure some of the other fish aren't real excited about it.
     In advance, I'm sorry and jealous if I offended anyone who knows or is an On-the-Ball, dyed in the wool, fishhead who happens to be an LFS employee.  There is a distinct lack of you in my area, thus the pun.
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Re: Tranquilized Fish (none / 0) (#1)
by Scott Lockwood on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 10:22:06 AM PST

Wow.  That is DAMN clueless. What on earth would motivate them to tranq fish?

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker



Re: Tranquilized Fish (none / 0) (#4)
by Angelee on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 08:19:02 AM PST

     I think maybe since many of the shippers are getting them from the orient (that's what they told me anyway), maybe the ride is rougher in the winter.  Or maybe they are doing what Uncle Scott said and trying to pack more fish into each shipment.  Being as how sme LFS just dump that water into the tank though,..that's  scary.  I wonder how much tranquilizer has built up in there?  I'm going to see if I can find out if anyone has done any studies on the short and long term effects of tranquilizers on fish.  I'll get back to you.  Off to the university, I think CSU or CU does some marine biology type studies on a regular basis.  See ya
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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That Texas study on the Trinity River (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Thu Feb 05, 2004 at 04:38:30 PM PST

noted detectable quantities of Prozac. (sp?) One of the things they were concerned about is really laid back minnows greeting black bass. :0

I can dredge up the reference if you want it.

All the best,
u.s.

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Re: Prozac? Wierd. (none / 0) (#9)
by Angelee on Wed Feb 25, 2004 at 10:07:27 AM PST

  Is there a lab or pharmeceudical company upstream from the test sites?  
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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