Welcome to GuppyLog.com
New to Guppylog?
Immediate Help


Conversions and Calculator
Conversions and Tank volume calculator


Add yourself to our guppylog map
Guppylog Members


* Change as much water as often as you can! *
Inkmaker
Front Page · Everything · News · Ask Guppylog · Diaries
labor tube

Breeding
By josh
from the josh department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 09:19:46 AM PST
Hello everyone,

First of all I would like to apologize for my choice of words in the title, but I didn't know what it is called. My female guppy has been pregnant for a month and two days, she now has the "labor tube" and it is coming out of what looks like a small black hole behind her gravid spot. The tube is a little longer than a gonopodium, and looks fluffyish. Is this actually her tube that the fry come out of? And if so, what is it called?

Josh



< 55 gallon tears | Are Guppies Compatible with Plecostomus? >
Menu

· create account

· F.A.Q. For Newbies!

· Immediate Help For Newbies!

· search


Web www.guppylog.com

· Scoop Info

· Our Tanks

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Related Links
· More on Breeding
· Also by josh

Display: Sort:
labor tube | 12 comments (11 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#12)
by portabuddy on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:10:50 PM PST

I found the same thing in my tank after finding 5 fry floting around the guppies didn't show sing of pregnancy and i didnt see them drop but the aftermath proved otherwise i had one guppy that had a bacterial (looke pregnet)infection and i treatd it with metronidazole fot a week and its one of two serviving. i found a similar tube floting around the tank yesterday, i thought it was poop untill i examined it closer i will take a picture and post it.

Bart k.

.
------------------------------------------------- Life dosn't have a reset button, if it did you may as well turn the game off.



Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#13)
by nikkinor5 on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 08:46:12 PM PST

hey I am new here, but I just bought some guppies (as feeder fish for my RES.) They are not fancy guppies or anything, and the lady at the store, when asked, said they were just plain guppies. I really have no idea what a gonopodium or whatever is, and am not even sure if I have all males or all females or a mix. I just know that one of my guppies, Susie, has a wierd tube thing sticking out of her. It might be from stress, cause she was in a bowl with 6 other guppies, which I removed and put in a bigger bowl. I took Dinner (yes I know it is a cruel name!) from the turtle tank and put her in Susie's bowl. That was this evening about 3 hours ago. But I just checked on all 8 on them, and one of the bigger ones hit the dirt(er...gravel) , and Susie has this tube thing. It is long and thin and white. I am not sure if she is a girl, but I do not see any fry around the bowl. Any ideas what that thing is, and if it is harmful?

[ Parent ]


Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#8)
by PeterW on Sun Dec 12, 2004 at 12:38:32 PM PST

I've seen this before.  I've got so darn many of them on some tanks that sometimes it is the only clue as to which fish has dropped her fry.

If you're seeing what I see sometimes, it looks nothing like any of the worms I've seen.

I personally think it is some sort of after-birth material that the females jetisson after finishing.  It is pale white, stretchy and can get an inch or more long.

(No, it isn't the same as the white stringy poop when they've got bacterial problems etc).

I usually see this after they've finished.  But I've seen it part way through on some females that I had in nets.

I've opened up females that have died (to see if there were any rescuable babies inside).  The babies develop inside some sort of sac of material a lot like the stuff I'm talking about.  I'm wondering if this is where the material comes from.



Re: labor tube (none / 1) (#6)
by DaysSweetDaze on Fri Dec 10, 2004 at 03:40:06 PM PST

I think I know what you're talking about...  my female guppy had a little "bubble" coming out of her for a while, and then it disappeared after she had her fry.  Thought nothing of it, but then she died suddenly right after that.

The fry were fine until about a month after birth.
Several of them began showing a little "fluffy" almost cottony looking thing sticking out of them.  Those ones got very emaciated.  Some of them almost looked like little furry udders and were half as large as the fry.  
Those ones all died.

A few weeks later the remaining fry got incredibly swollen and hard looking, and I could actually see something white and ropey pressing against their insides.  I immediately thought 'worms' and tried several different remedies (Parasite Clear to treat the tank, fish food treated with metrodinazole, and lavamisole, etc.) but they also all died.
Also, EVERY single pet store in my area that carries fish products (9 stores total!) had expired Discomed, which I read here is the de-wormer of choice!  I'm not sure how effective expired meds would be... I believe the dates were Feb 2004... but wasn't willing to spend the $15 or so.  

NONE of my fish (30 of whom are now deceased) ever showed anything that looked like camallanus red worms.  Just the large fluffy blobs, small bubbles, and then the swelling/ropey insides.  

I was never able to figure out what happened, or what to do about it, and I'm still too freaked out to spend money on new fish.

I hope things turn out better for you  :(



Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#7)
by gupppies on Fri Dec 10, 2004 at 08:23:11 PM PST

I have had those fluffy blobs you talk about on some of my guppies. They have always died shortly after. From memory I think this was discussed here some time ago and I remember someone saying it was some kind of bacterial infection.

[ Parent ]


Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#9)
by DaysSweetDaze on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 01:56:21 PM PST

Do you remember the topic, or what the infection was???  I searched a lot and didn't find what I was looking for, at the time.
I treated with Melafix, Parasite Clear, and lavamisole treated food to no effect...  maybe I was going for the wrong thing?

I DID find a picture that looked similar, in a thread, but it wasn't answered there.

[ Parent ]



Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#10)
by miskairal on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 05:19:00 PM PST

Any chance of a link to the pic?
--
Repeat after me,
I will read the Immediate Help
[ Parent ]


Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#11)
by DaysSweetDaze on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 03:57:22 PM PST

Okay, found it:
http://photos.wemm.org/sickfish/DVC00190
It's a bit grainy, so might not be the same thing...
This looks similar to the "bubble" that my mature females showed before dying.  They were not pregnant, and there were no fry inside them after death.
The things hanging off my fry a month later looked similar, but much larger in scale to the fry.


[ Parent ]


Re: labor tube (none / 0) (#2)
by josh on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 07:15:03 PM PST

Thanks for the info, but it does not look like those images you told me to look at.  It is transparent and fluffy.  

Josh



Since guppies are livebearers, they shouldn't be (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 07:05:44 PM PST

exhibiting spawning tubes. :(   It could be a fry which is caught and needs to be very, very gently removed, maybe with tweezers. If need be, use a hand lens (I know, who has one around the house?) to examine it. Does the object extending from the fish have any red pigment? Could it be a worm?

It actually has been a little while since this has come up. For those here six months ago, there is probably a collective groan though. ;)

If you saw the actual worm hanging out the fish's anal vent, here are two pictures of it so you can identify it as a Camallanus worm or not.

http://www.rhusmann.de/aqua/bilder/camallan.jpg

http://www.max-discus-dream.de/mddnew/Images/Erreger/camallanus3.gif

If it is, click to the Guppylog Quick Links fast and read all of the entries under Camallanus. Your tank will need to be treated with a dewormer. Don't take anything (hands, nets, fish, siphons) from that tank and out them in another tank. The good news is that most of the fish will respond positively to treatment, though the one with the worm may not survive the process.

I really hope I'm wrong. But for the sake of your guppies, please take a close look at that object extending from that one animal and compare it to those references - quickly.

If that is a Camallanus worm spreading youngsters, unless you are on the West Coast, the stores are probably close to closing or closed and you can't get a dewormer tonight. Read the Quick Links. get a good night's sleep, and plan on getting a dewormer tomorrow and treating the tank when you get home.

Hope I'm wrong. That is one of the first questions though to ask in such a situation.

When I was a kid and spent more time watching the fish than corresponding about them, I recall the shock that accompanied espying a female guppy that  had swallowed a human hair a little over an inch long! Perhaps she mistook it for a Dero worm. Thought surely she would die. Over the course of a day or so, that hair began to work though her. It really was gross watching the hair go into her mouth and extend out her vent! Somehow the guppy's intestine contorted enough to let that hair go through.

Of course parents of small children and keepers of over inquisitive dogs could have told me, "all things must pass." ;)

All the best!
uncle scott



Re: guppy that had swallowed a human hair (none / 0) (#4)
by miskairal on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 08:03:37 PM PST

Not to mention the time, very early on in my guppy keeping, when one of my males swallowed a wasp. Well, I assume it swallowed it - I didn't see that part :)

At the other end I could see what looked like a wing and 2 straight reddish things emerging and immediately thought of camallanus. I still didn't know what it was when the fish passed it not long after until I found it stuck on the filter intake.

I'm really hoping it is something your fish swallowed Josh because it is definitely not normal.

Good Luck
miskairal
--
Repeat after me,
I will read the Immediate Help
[ Parent ]



labor tube | 12 comments (11 topical, 0 hidden)
Display: Sort:

SourceForge Logo Powered by Scoop
Subscribe to our news feed
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 2002 and beyond The Management

create account | faq | search