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By DJIsaac, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:50:54 PM PST
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Wow, a lot of help! Thanks guys... I guess I should go back a bit to let you know what was going on...

Hmm, where to start though. LOL



Well I have had this tank running for about a month... I started with 5 neon tetras, two fire tail tetras, 5 goldfish and 5 fancy tail Guppies - 1 male and 4 females... I had been leaving them at a friend's whose tank I was taking care of until I got my 10-gallon up and running.

It had been about 10 years since I last had it running. Last thing in it was a Giant Bull Frog we found, and before that, a whole bunch of normal guppies. All were killed when a kid broke in and destroyed the tank. The water was black as black gets when I found it. So I boiled everything and got the temp up. I had thought that bottled water would be the best, so that was what I used. I ended up giving all my neons to my friend 'cause he only had two in his tank, and since they were a schooling fish, I figured they would be happier. I brought my fish home and put them in the tank, but over the next few weeks the water steadily became more and more cloudy.

My friend's tank was doing the same, and not soon afterward all his tetras dropped off in a day. I noticed that my Guppies started to look weaker. Then they started to drop off. I totally freaked out and looked all over the net for the answer to Tap water vs. bottled water. I found out that bottled water is really no good, and that was what was clouding up our water. I tried doing an emergency water change, almost 50% and it helped clear it a little, but for the guppies it was just to late, though all the goldfish like it and the tetras seemed fine. (One of the tetras is a cannibal and ended up killing the other, ate its tail fin right off one night.) But I noticed my last female was looking Ichish, So, I figured I might as well change out that tank, and replace the gravel with my new stuff that I got for my 55 gallon, as I still had a bit left over. I added my undergravel filters to it and then started heating up the water. But, alas, it must have been just too cold out (-43) and the guppy didn't make it. So I was left with 7 Guppy fry (1 week old) 1 fire tail tetra and 4 goldfish.

Currently I use Tap Water, with Conditioner to take out the chlorine and chloramine and let it sit 24 hrs before adding. Additionally I am doing ICH treatment to both the tanks, just to be sure. The fish seem to love the 55-gallon though, with the extra space... My mom didn't pick me up the fish cause it was so cold yesterday, so my 10-gallon is my hospital/quarantine tank. I might get my mom to pick me up some on Friday, a few new guppies, but other then that I am saving up to order a bunch off of the net...

Oh and by the way I'm 25...

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Lots of help :) | 2 comments (2 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Thank you for the info DJ. (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 08:16:23 PM PST

Is DJ appropriate?

As you have discovered, those fish were a heavy load for an uncycled tank. (Please look here and elsewhere for The Nitrogen Cycle.) Depending upon the authority, it takes 30-60 days for a tank to cycle. In a sense, if one is gradually adding fish, say a couple guppies the first month, the five tetras the second month, some more tetras a couple of week later, the ability of the aquarium to break down the very toxic ammonia to less toxic nitrite to yet less toxic nitrate (boy I keep confusing those last two) will gradually increase.

Even though it slows down the cycling process, it is a good idea to get used to doing 20-40% weekly partial water changes. That removes some of those waste materials gathering in the tank. Your cloudy water was a bacterial bloom caused in part by the inability of the aquarium to process the fish waste - especially of the goldfish. That is a normal part of the process, but one should be changing water and really careful not to overfeed. ("More aquarium fish have been killed by overfeeding, yada-yada.")

They don't too often tell you this in the shops, but you need to keep a supply of water for a week or so before changing it in. If your water department is adding chlorine AND ammonia (= chloramine), you don't just want to add a dechlorinator. That will release the very toxic ammonia into the water and you may get a sudden die off of fish. If the stuff sits for a few days, the chlorine will naturally, though slowly release into the atmosphere. (Actually there will still be some there after a week, but it will be less.) If it is bonded to the ammonia, it will not release. One of the nicer arrangements is to SLOWLY run it through one of those carbon block filters or faucet filters designed to take all sorts of nasty stuff out of the water.

What are you trying to neutralize in the water? (Call up and ask your municipal water department if need be.) What water conditioner are you using? There are a lot of good ones. They do need to fit the need though.

And there is one conditioner, which guarantees that a person will never have to change the water in their aquarium again. Yeah - and the aquarist will never have to take a bath again either! ;)

Don't do a tear down during that cycling period, unless the tank smells like something that died. What you do is force the nitrogen cycle to start all over.

If there is a lot of either chlorine or ammonia in the water, one of the things they will do is burn the fish's gills. Their immune system can be crippled and they mysteriously die sometime later.

If you are going to mail order fish, this would be better than when the weather gets colder. Although terrifically expensive, go with the one-day delivery in winter.

Problem: as your now know from looking at the Quick Links on ich, it take a couple of weeks to treat and banish ich from a tank. What safe tank would you put you mail order fish (a considerable investment probably?

I know that has got too sound really crabby. The shops and mail order people will not mind selling you new fish every week. You may want to consider what is best for the fish though.

Just out of curiosity, was the fire tail tetra nibbling on a dying fish or was it actually killing a healthy fish? What scientific name goes with fire tail? (I lent my Baensch Atlas to a neighbor kid.)

25 is a great age to be. Several of the GL members are in your age group. There are quite a few younger than you. Also there is a good sized group of adults a little older than you. Oh yeah, and one geezer and a couple of geezlings.

All the best!
uncle geez



Re: Thank you for the info DJ. (none / 0) (#2)
by DJIsaac on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 07:52:38 AM PST

Yeah, DJ is fine :)

The Gravel that was in the 10 gallon previously was over 10 years old, and as I said it had been through alot, including the sanding down of the logs in the house (log house) which i figured added alot of microscopic dust.. Thats why I figured best to just get rid of it, and put in the fresh new gravel..

Im actually remembering everything from when i was 13-15 and I had my 10 gallon then... I found out all about the diffrent diseases, and how to best keep water for your tank... letting it sit, and water cleaners and what not... but bottled water wasnt around as readily as it is now, so I had never tried that.... and you would think it would be good right.... (kinda makes you wounder if its good for us too..) but I quickly found it wasnt..

As for water changes I have always been familier with that, and I try to change 25% of the water weekly (5-7 days) using a siphoning hose and cleaning the bottom of the tank.. so that the fish waste and any uneaten food is sucked up... (in my fry breader i clean the bottom daily before every feeding.. (4 a day)

The rest of the fish I only feed once a day, at lunch time... and I add bit by bit over the two minutes to make sure that they dont over eat, or that i overfeed...

I had wanted to mail order fish but I dont know about the cold temp... Its -32 celcius atm, warm for the last few days. and I know our postal system and I can gurantee they will freeze to death... (Murphys Law)

I'm not quite sure though on the name of the tetra.. Its basicly clear but on its tail coming from its abnomnal fin to the end is a deep red line, that changes colour with its attitude i think... I tried looking around on the net to find its real name, but could not find it...

It wasnt eating dieing fish, but attacking them, 1st noticed when my fancy guppys beatiful tails got nibbled, (1 even tore :( )  so I put the smaller one and the one that is alive now, in lockdown, then I noticed a few days later that the younger one (who i saw nibbling on the others) swmming funny, I looked at its tail and all the fin part was gone, so all he had was his little stub of a tail.. he died soon after i discovered such..

I like this group, seems very helpfull, and i love being able to keep a diary of my fish's lives :)

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