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Baby Fry = Strange Deaths...

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By DJIsaac
from the Jerimiah Harris department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:50:34 PM PST
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For some strange reason two of my Fry have died in the last 3 days... Leaving me with 3 baby fry left...



The first died strangely, totally disappeared from the breeder... Instantly my mind was at work with Conspiracy theories... There could only be a few reasons for his disappearance.. He was my favorite, the first to show any shading/coloring, full week before the others

#1 The Fry had a fallout with the others and in his rage jumped out of the breeder and into the 10-gallon, then most likely becoming a meal before he could find a suitable hiding place...

#2a) my new shrimp had a craving, an itch it just had to scratch and it crawled up and snatched it from its safety...

#2b) My new shrimp happened to swim up and get a hold of the breeder, therefore weighing it down so the water flowed freely on top between the two, where my Fry swam, most likely to his death.

I tend to think #2b is the correct explanation, and so I put the top of the breeder back onto it, thinking everything will be all right... And if I didn't know better I would have believed it. Today I awoke and found a fry lying at the bottom, and again my mind raced...

#1 the others hated him and would not let him eat, starving him to death...

#2 He blamed himself for the other fry's death and just gave up.

#3 the quarter dose of Ich treatment I had given the tank 2 days prior killed him (but why only him?)

#4 Upon placing the top on the breeder (and it had air holes on top) weighed the breeder down enough that the water level rose, forcing all the air from the top and only leaving water all around them and plastic...therefore starving him of oxygen somehow...

I tend to think its #4 and so I removed the cover once again. Thankfully only the one died and the other 3 still lived...

Being down to only 3 fry out of the 10 that I had saved kind of sucks, but it is to be expected I guess... The only way to really learn is to experience...

But in better news I gave my mom 25$ to get me 4 more fancy guppies... she brought me home 2 males and two females. The male is a nice blue (Seems I keep getting those males, must be a breeder in Fort Nelson...) and another male that is a nice white zebra or something... totally beautiful looking... The Females (both prehit, probably a week or two apart) have a nice green yellow thing going. Kind of looks nice, I'm interested in what there fry come out like...

Other then that I'm pretty happy for my tank. I haven't had an adult fish die in a while. All 4 new guppies totally took to the 3 others and all are happy. (My last batch 2 arrived dead and another died that night leaving me with 1)

and the fish doesn't quite cost 25$, about 5$ a fish though, and she takes a shipping tax ;p

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Baby Fry = Strange Deaths... | 2 comments (2 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Baby Fry = Strange Deaths... (none / 0) (#2)
by josh on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 11:10:11 PM PST

From my experiences fry dont do to well in a breeder, i started with 8 now i have 1 from that batch. Even if you cant afford another 5-10 gallon tank to put the fry in you can get a 1 gallon fry tank and a small 50 watt heater for it with a total price of approxamitely 30 dollars.

Good luck with the fry!

Happy New Years, Josh



Wow DJ! You have given this (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 04:57:19 PM PST

a lot of thought! And I love your more creative explanations. :)

Congratulations on the new guppies, You will be able to keep them separately from your others for a bit?

A couple of responses, not guaranteed to be accurate on the mystery deaths, but they are oh, so sincere: ;)

As for the mysterious vanishing of that one fry, while I lean towards those black helicopters snatching him, it is likely that the fry died and your tank, with a good biological system, just "took care" of that little body & "that quickly". Cannibalism by his small compatriots, may have played a share. Lots of aquarists have been astonished at how quickly a larger corpse has "returned to nature."

I would give some consideration to the explanation that your new shrimp had a craving for a fishwich or fry sandwich. If you have a dead fry, nasty as this sounds, can you drop it near him to gage his response?

Recently read the account by "McDaphnia" (predictably one of the great Net sources of info on live foods) where grass shrimp perched on Java moss and tried to pick off small Heterandria formosa. Once in a while they were successful in capturing fry of this smallest livebearer in the North America. Those shrimp are a lot smaller than yours.

"#1 the others hated him and would not let him eat, starving him to death..."

If he was at the bottom of the pecking order, he would probably die first when an illness hit the tank.

Have you been feeding frozen brine shrimp? Are you defrosting it and rinsing it before feeding? The reason I unkindly suggest this is that a lot of unexplained fry deaths are because of velvet. Sometimes we see the clamped, arrow shape of a tail, Other times the disease (which thrives in the presence of decaying b.s.) kills fry so fast, that there is no evidence of what happened. Do you have pond snails picking up the pieces? Humm you do have that shrimp.

If this sort of rings a bell, check out velvet in the Quicklinks and

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By krickkett273 [Edit User]
from the Rita department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Mon Dec 13th, 2004 at 05:27:45 PST

I fear that this isn't very satisfactory, but it is one possible explanation.

And in the meantime, do a partial water change tomorrow with seasoned, treated water, slightly warmer than the tank. ;)

All the best and Happy New Year!
unc;e



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