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By miskairal
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Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:16:38 PM PST
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Just wondering if anyone catches rainwater to use in their tanks?



Is that feasible in other places where I guess you risk also catching gunk from the air?

Here on our farm, I only have access to rain water that is collected off the roof into a tank (on the rare occasion it rains - lucky our roof is big) and water from the creek.

The rain water tests show:
pH 6.3
GH 4°dGH (71.6ppm)
KH 1°dKH (17.9ppm)

The creek water tests show:
pH 7.6
GH 13°dGH (232.7ppm)
KH 6 °dKH (107.4ppm)

I generally mix a 50:50 ratio of the 2 different waters to use for water changes.

So if someone had a pH of 8, could they use rain water to bring it down (slowly of course)?

Would you use rainwater in your tank? Would you drink your rainwater?

Just curious
miskairal

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Miskairal, those rainwater measurements for (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:55:48 PM PST

GH and KH (carbonate hardness, using the K for the German spelling of carbonate) seem awfully high for rain water. Are you collecting it straight off of the first precipitation or are you letting it rain for about 20-30 minutes to wash most of the dust from the air and one's roof?

I realize that is not easy to do if rainstorms are only 20-30 minutes in length. What is conventional wisdom for suburbs in the southern Chicagoland area may not apply to rural areas. I would wonder if there still are "enrichments" in the air one might want to avoid in QL.

25-28 years ago I began collecting rainwater. Rains of a short endurance smelled of steel mills. Later, when the mills began folding, I had to settle for water smelling like auto exhaust. Real thunder gushers tended to wash the air & roofs clean and both the fish and I rejoiced.

Often caught more colds than usable rainwater. (One of our first hurried collections of rain water caused a mother-in-law-tongue plant to seriously mutate.) I also killed test tetras with the stuff.

Before she became a young widow, my lady graciously went along with the idea of purchasing an RO unit, before we really could afford it. That mixed to a formula with tap water (which still encourages algae) or a cichlid salt, gave the right proportions for a wide range of fish, including tropical egglayers who were doing no such thing here after being incredibly prolific when we had Lake (Michigan) water at a previous residence. (It's interesting how, after moving 70 tanks and 30 boxes of books one time, how few friends showed up to help the next time we moved.)

It intrigues me that waters have to be cut even for livebearers such as guppies. I think you are doing the right thing to bring the guppy water general hardness down to the neighborhood of 150 (plus or minus 15-20) ppm or about 9 (8-10) degrees DH. If water would be changed regularly, that hardness and the fish waste measurements are more important than pH.

That is in keeping with what we discovered in the case of that researcher who was topping off his evaporating tanks with more Chicago (Lake Michigan) water. See

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All the best!
unc;e



Re: Miskairal, those rainwater measurements for (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 06:25:01 PM PST

Arrgghhh! Don't you hate it when you nearly finish a reply and the power goes out? Went out for a split second, enough for me to lose what I wrote first time round so I'll give it another go.

Thanks for that unc;e.

I dont' get a lot of choice in what portion of the rainwater gets caught. It is traditional on a farm in Oz to have a rainwater tank. This provides all your drinking water and in many cases, it also provided water for everything else.

So amongst other things I am probably drinking lots of bird poo along with soil and goat poo in the form of dust that has settled on the roof during our droughts. I chose not to think about it too much although I dare say we farmers develop a very good immune system. Mind you, drinking water from the creek would mean you are drinking worse things (other than fish excreta) such as dead animals fluids - aww yuk, can't think about it at all.

Anyway, the tank (poly) collects the water from the downpipes (poly) from the guttering (metal, as is the roof) and gets cleaned out maybe once every 10 years. The solids settle to the bottom and the water outlet is a few inches off the bottom. I've got a pretty keen sense of smell, stronger than anyone I know, and I've never smelt anything in the water.

Most of our rain is in the form of huge, brief tropical downpours but right now it has been raining for days which is desperately needed (ahh to see green again, first rain since April). So I guess the gunk on the roof is what is making the readings higher than expected.

If I do have to top up a tank I use the rainwater so it sounds like I'm doing everything as right as I can.

Rainwater is the "sweetest" water I've ever tasted. I would have great trouble if I had to live on town/city water again. I can smell town water long before it gets to my mouth and it puts me off. It was only when my friend in Racine, WI questioned me about the drinking of rainwater that I discovered it is far from normal to do so. Her and her daughters were grossed out :)

Cheers
miskairal
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"I've never smelt anything in (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 07:29:48 PM PST

the water...." After ten years that barrel probably has a more effective biological system going than in any of our fish tanks. ;) But you are "one with the land."

On Killietalk they compared the effectiveness of RO water, water run through an ion exchange system or distilled water (increasing expensive as one goes down the list) as opposed to using rain water to cut their tap water (if relatively unpolluted) and to enable rainforest fishes (some killies, Apistogramma, several other South American cichlids, many tetras, Rasbora, a rare few livebearers and other "problem fishes") to spawn. Why, they weren't exactly sure, but the rainwater assisted fish seemed more responsive than those whose water was cut or remade by the industrial methods of demineralization. Certain absorbed trace elements and better oxygenated water were suggested.

By the way, if one were to add fish to straight RO, distilled, or rain water (from recently cleaned catching tanks), the fish would suffocate if the chemical shock hadn't already killed them! Really "pure" water can hold no oxygen. It is always necessary to add some regular water or a mineral mix to it. And usually to wait a couple of days for free O2 to be absorbed.

I know of a couple of local ladies who decided that they were going to become the discus kings (queens?) of the Southern 'burgs here. They put a lot of their discus and other cichlids in the straight RO water and immediately noticed something terribly wrong with their struggling fish. That little fiasco cost them 100s, if not 1000s of dollars. Sadder yet was the demise of some neat fish and favorite pets before they could get many of them out of that water and into "old" aquariums.

There are a lot of ways to chemically shock fishes. Some of them I'm sure we haven't even figured out. That is why one, as a general rule, shouldn't add more than 50% "new" water to their tanks.

It's interesting what you mention in terms of the taste of town water. Ever since they started protecting us from the pathogens in the water, it hasn't tasted as good as it used to. I understand that "the good old days" are partly the result of very fallible memories. Still, I never tasted more wonderful water than that drawn from a deep well on my grand-dad's Wisconsin farm. Supposedly it flowed all the way from Lake Superior. And it was cold, seemingly pure and had a clean, fresh taste our tap or bottled water will never match. :)

All the best!
unc;e

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Re: "I've never smelt anything in (none / 0) (#4)
by miskairal on Sat Nov 06, 2004 at 04:49:05 PM PST

Whoah! I had no idea about the pure rainwater being unable to carry oxygen. I'm sure Katie used straight rainwater when she first started the tank because I told her the creek water made a tank look yellowish (I had a goldfish many years ago).

Maybe it's just as well that the rainwater tank, at that time, had not been cleaned for 9 years, it has since been cleaned :)

Somewhere in the next few days I'm going to test the rainwater again as the tank has been overflowing for about 3 days now. It will be interesting to see what has been flushed out maybe.

I don't drink the creek water (no way - the thought that there may be a dead cow or bird upstream just makes me unable to put it in my mouth) but both my son and my hubby say it doesn't quench your thirst whereas the rain water does. It seems that the more creek water you drink, the more you are thirsty - salts?

Cheerio
miskairal
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