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What's Cull?

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By MimiGuppy
from the MimiGuppy department, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 01:51:00 PM PST
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This probably is a dumb question, but I have seen many people using the word cull. What's cull? Is that a sick guppy, or genetic diseased guppy?



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What's Cull? | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: What's Cull? (none / 0) (#3)
by everb on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 09:31:13 PM PST

While cull can be used for a sick or deformed guppy its a pretty broad term.  Basically it is any fish that is inferior for what the breeder is trying to accomplish.  For instance I only breed gold or blonde bodied guppies.  Thus any dark bodied fry is a possible cull.   I say possible because I generally let them grow a while before I decide what is to become of them.   Any deformed fry are automatic culls and are fed to my bettas.  If some fry were to become sick (I've managed to avoid any disease outbreaks in my fry or grow out tanks thus far) they'd probably also be culls because it wouldn't really be worth the expense to treat them.   They'd be dipped in a ice bath until dead then flushed.   I don't feed sick fish to other fish, its just one more way for the disease to spread.  So apart from illness and deformity in my case you still have any healthy dark bodied fry.  The females I'm extra brutal with.   Most of them are culled once again to either larger fish or to the LFS.  Dark bodied males have more of a chance of getting to hang around.   Obviously I want to keep any of them that turn out to have spectacular coloration and they usually migrate to my show tank.   Inferior males are sold to the LFS.

While culling fry and young guppies may seem a bit cruel its a necessary part of breeding for a specific strain.   Having an inferior fish involved in breeding sets back the whole program.  Also when you have large numbers of fry at some point it just becomes impossible to have enough room to properly care for them.   For example I have a batch of fry atleast once a week.  I've never managed to sell off guppies to the LFS at less than 3 months of age.  So if I have 20 new fry a week for 3 months that would be 240 guppies on hand at any given time.  Plus the normal breeding stock and the random drop from the guppies in the show tank.   Now to breed effectively I have to isolate the males from the females for most of the time except for when they are very very young.   So obviously it would take a huge number of tanks and time to deal with about 300 guppies at any given time.  Instead I try to keep my breeding lines at around 20 guppies, maybe 5-10 for the show tank, no more than 50 small fry at a time, and only 30 or so in the grow out tanks.   So out of a rough base of 300 guppies  I cull almost 200 just to keep things under control.  For example my last few drops of fry that are into the grow out tanks now were culled drastically.  Of the approximately 40 dark bodied guppies that started out I culled all but 10.  Of the approximately 40 yellow bodied guppies only 20 are still around.  And theres still another round of culling to go with that group to decide who gets to stay here and who is visiting the LFS!
"Man hates those to whom he feels the need to lie."



Asking what a Cull is, is not a dumb question MG. (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 07:36:06 PM PST

You've guess what they can be from the context of what you've read pretty well too. That saves you having to type cull guppies in Google. ;)

For a serious breeder of guppies, a cull is not just a sick or genetically deformed fish though. Guppies with a color pattern tail shape, body size or shape which was not what they wanted, would probably be a cull. For American breeders who show fish, they want a match between the dorsal color and pattern and the tail.

If the fish don't have that, they may not make the cut. Some people will feed them to larger fish. Some will dump them at a local pet shop (one man's cull is somebody else's community fish). Some people just flush them. :0

That sounds pretty brutal. Fancy guppies are not what "nature" decided a guppy should be though and one must be very selective in caring for their strain(s) or the strains can drift away from what is desired. (Once was told maybe 5 of 5,000 goldfish from a spawn are show material. Similar issues exist with Bettas too.

A look at the judging form of a guppy group will indicate what the competitors must breed for if they want to win.

General clubs often have a 100 point system where 1-20 points is awarded to a fish on the basis of size, color, finage, health and department &#8211; for the species. It is a lot harder figuring out deportment for a bristlenose catfish than a guppy. ;)

The World Guppy Club (as per their Brazilian show in 2003) has the following judging scheme:
http://www.january04.guppylabs.info/

LENGTH     SHAPE        COLOR         POINTS
BODY        8        8        12        =28
DORSAL    5        8        10        =23
CAUDAL    10        20         4     =44
VITALITY/DEPORTMENT    =5
Total    =100

It is interesting to me that different national guppy clubs often have a different vision of what a good guppy in a strain is. They may also be more enthusiastic about different strains.

I still find myself looking at some fishes and thinking, "I don't know what art is. But I sure know what I like."

There is a flip side too. If guppies were raising and showing humans, I'd have been culled some time ago. ;)

There's a lot more on what to keep and what to cull. If you really want to get into it, you may want to start with the references below.

All the best!
Unc;e

The following offer suggestions as to what breeders are trying to develop with different strains.
http://www.ifga.org/articles/1articles.htm

http://www.ifga.org/articles/breeding10.htm

This German site offered European standards. Interestingly females awere not regularly judge in 1997. Males were shown in groups of three:
http://www.aquaworldnet.com/awmag/a_3gupen.htm

This is a thread from the Singapore guppy group. As you can see, they are grappling with what should constitute a class and show the fish should be judged.
http://sgguppy.com/index.php?board=25;action=display;threadid=246

Here is an overview of what Luke Roebuck feels are appropriate proportions for different strains of guppies:
http://www.january04.guppylabs.info/

One of Midge Hill's articles on what to select for when breeding (and culling)
http://members.tripod.com/~PPGA/guppygambitart.html

IFGA classes:
http://www.netpets.com/fish/reference/freshref/classesgup.html

Drawings showing what is desirable:
http://guppysa2z.com/clubs/sjgg/tail03.htm

     "IFGA standards explained" is an interesting document in that the Singapore club translates a Portuguese article into English. There is still more to it and maybe the book is necessary to comprehend the whole scope of what is desired in all of the IFGA classes. I guess you have to buy the book from the IFGA to get the rules if you are an American.
http://sgguppy.com/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=81



Re: What's Cull? (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 06:11:44 PM PST

A cull animal is one you do not want to keep. The reasons may be many, deformity, illness, poor production, poor progeny or you simply have too many so you "cull them".

If you have a breeding programme for your fish, you may want to cull the deformed or those that have had deformed fry, the slow growers, the ones that don't conform to your colour standards/shape/size or the ones who seem prone to disease.

That's how I understand it anyway.

Cheers
miskairal
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Re: What's Cull? (none / 0) (#4)
by MimiGuppy on Sun Nov 28, 2004 at 11:23:42 AM PST

Thanks for all of your explenations. I don't breed guppies, since I have all males, but now I don't have to wonder what people mean when they use the term "cull". Once again, thank you.

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