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Small white creatures in tank.. identity suggestions?

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By PeterW
from the critters-r-us department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:16:41 PM PST
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A while ago, I noticed some small white "things" in one of my newer fry tanks.  I decided that I was imagining it.  But now, about a month or so later there are more. I have no idea what they are except that they are small and FAST.



They almost look brine-shrimp-ish under a magnifying glass in that they have a Y shape at one end and a buldge at the other.  I'd imagine that if they wanted to clamp to a fish, they'd have no trouble doing it.

The fry seem to half-heartedly chase them, but dont seem to be eating them.  They're not bothering the fry.

And by fast, I mean they easily move 2-3cm in half a second or less..  often a series of rapid birsts of movement like this in quick succession.  They can get from the bottom of the tank to the top in just over two seconds.  They also move slowly as well, 2-3mm per second.

They hang around the heater and the filter sponge.  And sometimes go to the light.

I have a recent daphnia culture elsewhere in the house.   The things in this tank dont look like daphnia.

The only fish that have been in there before were 6 guppies in quarantine for two weeks, just prior to when I noticed the first one.  It sat empty for 3 weeks with occasional ammonia to keep the cycle going.  Then I dumped 12 fry in there that I needed to keep apart from others.

What can live for 3 weeks in water without fish or other food sources (besides algae)?  And 4 weeks now assuming they have not been bothering the fry while I haven't been looking.

Anyway, does anybody have any ideas?  A photo would be useless, its too small.  Should I be worried?  I can put a bigger guppy in there and see if they'll eat them, but I'm a bit paranoid that it might be a parasite that happens to be ignoring the fry for some reason.

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Would these be Cyclops? Don't know how many (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:38:58 AM PST

species there are, but they are as widespread as Daphnia. I secured a straight Daphnia culture, ummmm... 24 years ago. What with the wind and whiskered varmints poking their noses in the Daphnia containers out side, there are Cyclops, two species of Ostrocods (seed shrimp which feed on leaf detritus and algae) and even Dero worms. All of those are great fry foods, if they will fit in their mouths. As you can imagine, the young of such tiny creatures are smaller than baby brine shrimp.

Take a look at
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pubs/photogallery/albums/WaterLife/pages/1034.htm

Drawings:
http://www.cornwallwildlifetrust.org.uk/educate/pondpack/crustacean.htm

Here is a neat movie of them:
http://www.mic-d.com/gallery/moviegallery/pondscum/crustaceans/cyclops/
That pondscum site has a number of interesting aquarium and pond critter in their mini-movies (and one dangerous one in Hydra).

I stumbled on the above while Googling for a Cyclops image. There are some other interesting images in that first collection. By the way Google search for Cyclops species or you get a lot of comic book figures. ;)  If you get the real Cyclops species, you get too many hits too.

As you guessed Peter, the Cyclops probably hitchhiked in with the Daphnia. You also surmised  that they could be a threat to tiny fry (and also fish eggs). As crustaceans who do favor meat and flake foods, though perhaps as scavengers, they do have the claw-ware to do damage to really small fry. At the same time, I don't mind leaving them with guppy fry which are relatively large for fish fry.

You observed the fry not going after the adult Cyclops, but there are also high protein Cyclops nauplii and those are probably much more attractive to your guppies. I would guess that the Cyclops would not attack baby guppies unless the guppies were wounded or very sick.

There are Cyclops and other copepods which can be gill parasites. I don't think you will find those in a backyard culture, though they might come in on new fish. Dewormers or antiparasite stuff (or formulin - yech) will eliminate them from the fish in a quarantine. Chances are that yours are not among the Cyclops you have to be concerned about.

Your observation about filters in also cogent. I think they colonize the bottoms of sponge filters, where shelter, current and oxygen are greater than elsewhere. From that vantage point, they can feed on flake fragments and detritus.

I have had an elderly, single fish die. There are more important things to do sometimes and a single  body in a tank by itself may get left for a while. Several times a startling bloom of Cyclops will appear a couple days after the demise of the fish.

I think you are correct that they will survive in small numbers on tank detritus and the invisible micro-creatures (to us) on plants and in the water column. In fact you can see some of those tiny micro-critters in that down-loadable movie.

They also bear young in good times (like Daphnia AND brine shrimp). When conditions get tougher, they will lay resting eggs or cysts (again like Daphnia and the famous brine shrimp). Those eggs/cysts can withstand dying, freezing and all manner of weather. You can see the two egg masses on the females.

They can be intermediate hosts for fish parasites, including many worms such as Camallanus. They also can do the same for a lot of nasty human diseases and so they get studied a lot by health people. They can also be drawn into public water supplies which is another reason for all the nasty stuff being put in pulic water supplied. They also are used in toxicology studies.

If you are raising them in the back yard and no sick humans or fish have been there, they shouldn't carry any nasties. (That is the advantage of culturing your own live foods.)

All the best!
unc;e



Re: Would these be Cyclops? Don't know how many (none / 0) (#5)
by PeterW on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:44:26 AM PST

From the links you posted, one had a drawing that looks suspiciously close:  http://www.cornwallwildlifetrust.org.uk/images/pondpack/cyclops.jpg
I finally found some codecs to watch the videos, and yes, it does look about the right shape and size, as well as being fast enough.

The other thing is that I only got my daphnia a few days ago.  Its what I meant by a 'recent culture'.  I should have been more specific, sorry.  I've not put any daphnia in any tanks at all yet.

I saw the first critters in that one tank about a month ago, after it had been used for quarantine for a small number of fish.  The simplest explanation is that they hitchhiked with the adult guppies, but there are other possibilities (tap water, contaminated plastic plant, eggs in tank (I got it at a clearance from a petsmart, it could have been used, casually washed and returned for all I know) etc.

There was an algae bloom in that tank while it was fishless cycling and there was a hard 1mm thick "carpet" of algae on the floor.  (I didn't remove it because it actually looked ok and wasn't on the sides.)  The tank otherwise sat empty for that time (few weeks).  Thats why I'm sure it isn't an ich free swimmer.  These critters were probably feeding on the algae, and hence the population explosion.

I think I'm going to assume its a cyclops..  The Y shape front-end and the bulkier back end seem about right.  My inclination is to not try and wipe them out, but I do have some aquarisol (copper) if needed.

I was aware of the possibility of daphnia etc being carriers and intermediate hosts to various nasty parasites. I'm confident that the starter culture of daphnia I got is fairly safe, but I'm a little dubious about these new guys.

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I don't blame you for wondering about (none / 1) (#6)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 11:43:58 AM PST

"these new guys." The good news is that if those little beggers have been by themselves, the fish parasites may have died for lack of other hosts. Daphnia, I recall reading have a life expectancy of about a month. Just read that one species of Cyclops has its entire life cycle in a week!

Now if the parasite can go generation to generation in those small crustaceans, we are out of luck. But if the crustacean is a secondary host for something which needs to live in fish, humans. birds or political ad designers (oh, sorry .. they're human too) a part of their life cycle is broken and our fish are ok.

Now we need to know what the life cycle is for each disease organism. Not time for that today, but on the whole domestic crustacean cultures should be safe after a month or two.

All the best!
u.s.

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