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Problems with the "rupturing" females

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By PeterW, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 02:22:51 PM PST
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A while ago I posted about a guppy that "ruptured" after overeating adult brine shrimp - she popped eggs out the back and some pink material.  Well.. she had a VERY hard and protracted delivery over the last week.



The first clue that there was a problem was that she was head-down, wedged into a plant.  I thought she was dead and went to scoop her out, but no.. she was still barely alive.  This was about a week ago.

I moved her to breeder net in another tank.  She was doing things like float upside down, head down, corkscrew spiral swimming, etc.   She was obviously suffering greatly.  I was just about to put her out of her misery when I noticed a fry (with its egg sac still attached) on the bottom of the net.  I left her another night and she looked even worse.  I was sure she was going to die.  She had white tube-like tissue out the rear vent.

Against my better judgement (and advice), I scooped her in my hand and gave her stomach a slight rub.  Three fry popped out (with egg sacs too).  For the first time in a while she showed the first real signs of life and actually put up a bit of a struggle.  She was NOT happy, to say the least.  I stopped right there, and transferred the fry (who couldn't swim yet) and put them in a second container.

A few hours later, she'd propped herself in a vertical position between one of the rails and the net and there were two more fry on the floor.

Over the next 5 days, she had another 16 fry, one at a time, hours apart.

Two of the first group of fry died, and a few more over the next couple of days.  The rest are still alive and kicking around.  Most have absorbed their egg sac and are swimming around quite well, but there are two that have a fair way to go yet.

Each day, she seemed to be getting a bit better.  She spent a while propped up againt the net, then moved to the floor and held herself the right way up, then started moving around a little.  And yesterday she started eating again.

Today I let her go in the main tank again and she's doing fine...

But now that I've let her go, I've noticed one of her pectoral fins has rotted away to the point that its a small stump.  I think I'm going to catch her tomorrow and give put her in some antibiotics, I'll give her the rest of today to get some excercise since she's been cramped up for a week.

Has anybody seen anything like this before?  And the real dilemma... do I let the fry grow?  what are the chances that problems like this could be genetically passed on?

Before mentioning worms, I gave them a dose of prazi-pro 36 hours before she went head-down into the plant....

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Problems with the "rupturing" females | 5 comments (5 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Problems with the "rupturing" female (none / 0) (#5)
by PeterW on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 11:11:51 AM PST

She's dead jim! :-(

She died this morning in a hospital tank.



Re: still barely alive (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 07:24:05 PM PST

Wow Peter!

This is the sort of info that always makes me find myself unable to carry out euthanasia. While there is life there is hope, eh?

miskairal
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Re: still barely alive (none / 0) (#2)
by PeterW on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 08:08:01 PM PST

Yeah, the only reason I didn't was because I couldn't find the things I needed.  She was smaller than most of the others when they drop their fry.  And right now she's tiny compared to the others that have finished dropping theirs.  Somehow, I suspect there could be a repeat of this drama next time. :-(  

Anyway, I have some photos of her and the fry (with egg sacs still).  I didn't take photos while she was upside down and suffering.  It just didn't seem right.  I'll upload them soon.

Interestingly, she doesn't seem to be having any trouble getting around the tank with her gimpy pectoral fin.

On another note, a bunch of other new arrivals are showing clamped fins now.  I'm not sure how I'm going to manage keeping the different strains/breeds/whatever separate if I have to move them to a hospital tank.  There are 8 different groups altogether.  I'm reluctant to treat their tanks since I've had my fill of antibiotics damaging the biofilter lately.  On the plus side, I have a mountain of bio-spira and it does seem to work for me... if it comes to that.

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Are these clamped fins the way they are shaped (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 04:33:50 AM PST

or could they be that way because of - gasp! - velvet? :(

Hope I'm wrong.

All the best anyway!
u.s.

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Re: Are these clamped fins the way they are shaped (none / 0) (#4)
by PeterW on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:58:44 AM PST

You know, anything is possible and nothing would suprise me at this point.

However..  Given that she's been sitting essentially still and resting on nets and wedged between things for a week, my gut feeling says that she was a sitting duck for a bacterial infection.

But thanks for the tip..  I'll go and look at her again, but even more suspiciously this time.

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