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How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned?

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By josh
from the josh department, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:17:00 PM PST
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Hello everyone! I have a twenty-gallon aquarium with 15 small to medium sized fish. I clean my aquarium once every 3 weeks and I never see any algae in it. All 5 living plants are healthy and there are no sick fish or anything. I was wondering how many times should I clean it or is once every 3 weeks ok?

thanks

ps. Uncle Scott, on my last entry you asked, "Where do you hale from Josh?" I wasn't really sure what that meant

Thanks again, josh



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How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned? | 11 comments (11 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned? (none / 0) (#8)
by markfish on Wed Oct 20, 2004 at 05:02:57 PM PST

It says josh in my book that fins clenched against the fishes body is a disease. I doesnt say what kind of disease but it is one. You should ask petland or any other pet store what is a good treatment for this disease. I hope this helps.
Good Luck;)
~MARKFISH~



Mark, is your book the Tropical Fishlopeadia? (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Wed Oct 20, 2004 at 09:42:30 PM PST

Your comment triggered a memory for me and I went back to my copy. It suggested that clamping (also shimmying, though Josh didn't observe that) was a sign of any of a number of diseases. While I wish there was one all-purpose Cure-In-A-Bottle, there isn't. The shop may sell something. There are some generic things which are mostly salt. There is a better idea until the malady is diagnosed.

The only 'cure" for a fish which seems to be coming down with "something" is doing a partial water change. The water should be "seasoned" for a few days and hopefully mostly free of chlorine and active chloramine. It would be beneficial if the changing water was as warm as the tank (or a degree or two warmer so the fish weren't chilled (another cause of clamping and shimmying).

20% to 30% partial water changes every day or every other day can go a long way towards helping the fish and their immune system to heal themselves. Josh, if it has been close to two or three weeks since you last did a partial water change, go with a couple of 20% water changes before changing a greater percentage later on.

If the tank stabilizes with that, try to change 20 to 40% every week. Your fish's problem may just be funky water. But "just funky water" will kill in time. With water changes the platy may bounce back and you will never really know what the problem was. That is ok. :)

In streams the fish are getting water changes all the time. According to goldfish and pond authority  Steven Meyer (sp?) woodland ponds (not attached to streams but still in constant contact with the water table may see 90% of it's water exchanged daily. Lakes don't have quite the refreshment rate, but they have the wind doing what almost no aquarium aerator can do.

So we, as aquarists, can't do too many partial daily water changes - provided we have enough seasoned water at room temperature to do that. That is Mother Nature's solution.

Thank you Mark for your comments. We should have been advising water changes for a generalized illness from the get-go.

When we offered a couple situations such as the hollow belly and the question as to whether the fish had that wasn't answered, the situation was somewhat forgotten. Always, the cure until a fairly definite diagnosis of the illness can be made, is - do more partial water changes!

Good luck with the platy and its tank mates and with the water changes!

All the best!
u.s.

PS: For those of you unfamiliar with The Tropical Fishlopaedia by Bailey and Burgess, it is chocked full of info. The reading can be heavy in places. But diagnostic questions, such as the 44 disease related questions on pages 188-189 (which are explained in the chapter which follows) offers a great checklist to begin helping a fish which seems "out of sorts." If I had to have one fish book, that would not be it. But it is probably the one all-purpose "trouble shooter" I would (and did) buy.

It is about $20 US/ 39 Canadian dollars, so it is not purchased lightly. Perhaps it could go on a Christmas list. ;)

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Re: Mark, is your book the Tropical Fishlopeadia? (none / 0) (#10)
by markfish on Sun Oct 24, 2004 at 03:11:32 PM PST

Josh is my cuz and the girl platy is not sick. It is was pregnant becaseu we know now because she had her fry we only could save 1 though:(

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Hi Mark! I was just curious as to what your (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Sun Oct 24, 2004 at 03:50:54 PM PST

reference book was. There are a bunch of good ones and I wondered if yours was the publication mention above, because it is pretty useful.

I'm glad Josh's platy is ok. I think that is it neat that you guys are cousins and both interested in fishes. I recall how cool it was to hang with my favorite cousin in Wisconsin. We also came to share several interests in common.

Also, sorry only one fry survived. Now you guys have spent a considerable amount of time on GL lately. The site is more interesting for that.

If you two wanted more baby platys, what would you try to do so that they could survive?

All the best!
u.s.

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Re: How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned? (none / 0) (#4)
by maggie1270 on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 02:09:49 PM PST

I personally do a 25% water change every Sunday, and also a gravel syphon cleaning once a month.  I tried what you do Miskairal, because I've had problems with having too many fish in my tank but yet they are too young to give to the LFS.  But then I kept finding too many problems so I resorted to water changes every week and a full gravel cleaning once a month and all seems to be well (knock on wood).

But really, you need to experiment a bit until you find what works best for your community.

Good luck!
Maggie



Re: How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned? (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Sun Oct 17, 2004 at 04:52:38 PM PST

Hi Josh,

This is what I've learnt from guppylog OK?

If your tanks aren't overcrowded then a 25% water change every week is good. If you can manage to do smaller more frequent water changes of say 10% every second day, that would be better.

My tanks are way overcrowded and I tried doing 35-40% water changes every 3-4 days but that just created other problems so I'm back to once weekly and I change 24 litres out fo the 90 litre tank.

Each time I do a water change it is done by a gravel vacuum, cleaning out about half of the gravel each time. If you clean all the gravel at one time, then you lose a lot of your good bacterial colony which can cause problems too.

I also clean up most of the algae on the glass etc. each week also but I usually leave a patch somewhere a bit out of sight for the fish to nibble on.

Hope that is of use to you
Cheers
miskairal

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Re: How Many Times Should a Tank Be Cleaned? (none / 0) (#3)
by PeterW on Sun Oct 17, 2004 at 11:59:43 PM PST

My tank arrangement is begging for a multi-stage overflow / sump style filtration system.  The thought occurred to me that I can constantly trickle in new water and overflow the excess from the sump, thus eliminating manual water changes.

Of course, the risk with that is that you expose ALL the fish to any pathogens at the same time.  Just like the giant display tanks at pet stores..  

Maybe later when things settle down.  Or play it safer and just use continuous siphon overflows to drain excess water, and trickle add new prepared water continuously.

Hah! all these grand schemes and so little time.  I'll dream up some more wild schemes tomorrow with the next set of water changes.

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Miskairal's advice is terrific. Josh, I would like (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Sun Oct 17, 2004 at 09:22:34 PM PST

to ask for a clarification. When you say you are cleaning the tank every 3 weeks, are you doing partial water changes such as miskairal describes or are you doing a complete water change?

That is great that your plants are thriving and there is no algae on the tank. Some plants are fast growers/ heavy feeders and can be used to absorb nutrients which otherwise the algae would use. Some floating plants can be used to shade areas where algae might grow - again discouraging the lower plants.

What kind of plants do you have? Is your light from a "standard" hood for a 20-gallon tank or another sort? How many hours a day is the light on?

***********
I owe you an apology on this one:

"Uncle Scott, on my last entry you asked, 'Where do you hale from Josh?' I wasn't really sure what that meant."

I try to disguise the fact that I am among the worst typists and spellers in the world by highlighting a comment in Guppylog, left clicking and copying the passage. I then paste it into MS Word and (looking under tools) click on Spelling and Grammar. I then run a spell check and change my GL comments accordingly.

I was asking, "Where do you hail from?" - as in where do you live (in a general sense like NE Illinois or upstate NY)? Probably it is best for young people to be less specific about where they live, even though the members and visitors to Guppylog are pretty safe people to be with.

The problem with hail and hale of course is that the spell checker can't tell which one should be used in that situation. (This problem even appears in one of the commercial aquarium magazines, which is trying to save on editorial expenses.)

You were asking about live and prepared fish foods. Sometimes there will be a local distributor or an aquarium club near a city or in a section of a state or province that could be recommended.

Not always correct, but I would always try to show respect to you or anyone else by doing as much as possible to correctly type out a comment or question. (Heck the grammar checker just noted the wrong selection of a punctuation point.) That is sometimes called Netiquette or Internet etiquette.

For more on that, see something like
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/

It is to your advantage to always proofread (or have a family member proofread since we always miss some of our own blunders) and spell check a comment. You will almost always get a quicker and more complete response if you have better-looking copy. On some lists and forums a wall of indifference will meet badly typed questions or the writer will even be flamed by the membership. GL members tend to be more gracious, but they are still human. ;)

All the best!
u.s.

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re. (none / 0) (#5)
by josh on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 03:09:20 PM PST

im not sure what kind of plants they are i just look at them at the pet store and when i like them i buy them. i had a florescent light on the aquarium but it blew up so i bought a incondescent light seeing the florescent are extremely expensive. the light is on for about 11 hours a day.and i live in the south western part of bc canada.

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If you wish to browse a list of plants and (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Tue Oct 19, 2004 at 12:54:11 PM PST

drawings, one of the visually pleasing and useful sites is:
http://www.tropica.com/default.asp

They can't sell their potted plants in the U.S. and I would guess that they are not cheap. But you may have a terrific advantage in that I think their plants would be allowed into Canada. They also do a fine job of including what temperature and light requirements they have.

I've never understood why Tropica wouldn't just slide their plants out of the pots they were cultured in and wash the roots for the US market. I guess they are doing so well in Denmark and elsewhere, they don't need that market at the moment. (Or Americans are so cheap their products wouldn't sell well here.)

They have a lot of things, they would like to sell listed on their site, which one might not need. However they are on the prowl for new aquarium plants (just look at their collection of strains and cultivars of Java ferns or Microsorium) and new ways of caring for plants. We owe them a vote of thanks for making available several neat new plants.

The reason I bring this to your attention is that you might find that knowing what your plants are, may make the hobby that much more interesting. Knowing what plants work for you, may help others  if they are looking for plants for their guppytanks. You might also craft a log which could be added to the quicklinks in the plant category too. :)

It sounds like your LFS is stocking plants which have a reasonable chance of thriving in people's aquariums. The is refreshing. While more and more stores are stocking what are really only aquarium plants, one will still find house plants (really plants from under the rainforest canopy) and marsh plants which usually don't belong in a conventional aquarium.

All the best,
unc;e scott

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Re: re. (none / 0) (#6)
by josh on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 03:10:27 PM PST

i do partial water changes every 3 weeks


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