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Different Aquarium Sizes

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By GuppyAdict, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:26:23 PM PST
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I'm back with yet another question.  This is very basic, but is a 10 gallon tank adequate to even breed guppies?  This is my ultimate goal after I establish my tank.  

I've done a lot of research and asking around and I'm reconsidering a 10 gallon tank.  I know I am a beginner, but do you think I should go to a 20 gallon?  I heard it is a lot bigger, but is easier to maintain, water wise.  Is this true?



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Different Aquarium Sizes | 28 comments (28 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
It depends... (none / 0) (#3)
by Scott Lockwood on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 04:20:28 PM PST

As a rule, if you're going to really breed fish, you need about 7 tanks per strain.  Seriously.  This will allow for tanks for males, females, fry, active breeding tanks (where you have both male and female) and for at least one quarantine tank.

I have 9 tanks, and devote anywhere from 2 to 3 tanks per strain, with one quarantine tank for all my strains - if I ever had more than one strain with an illness at a time, I'd be screwed. I need more tanks, but it can be expensive to set them up. This is why many breeders don't setup undergravel filters, or even filters at all - they just change the water frequently.  I don't believe in that, personally.  I spend about $100 for every tank I setup.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker



Wow, (none / 0) (#4)
by GuppyAdict on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 04:32:47 PM PST

I had no idea Scott.  I currenlty have a 10 gallon tank (w/bio-wheel) and two, 5 gallon tanks.  One for fry (eventually) and the other one as a hospital.  

From the sounds of it, my equipment might not be enough.  Maybe I will have to rethink the breeding thing and just get pretty fish to look at.  

I wanted this to be a nice relaxing hobby, not a career.  I can't dedicate that kind of time.  

On another note, are the old fashioned aquariums better then those new one's with the bio-wheel with filter pads?  

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It's really not a lot of time (none / 0) (#6)
by Scott Lockwood on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 06:33:48 PM PST

once it's set up...

ALso, build gradually, you don't have to do it all at once.  I don't.  I want to end up with about 30 or so tanks.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Thanks (none / 0) (#8)
by GuppyAdict on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 06:46:47 PM PST

Thanks so much guys for all your advise!!  I'm so glad I found this message board.

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Larger tank? (none / 0) (#1)
by guppygirl on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 01:25:40 PM PST

From my experience, the larger the tank, the easier it is to maintain, water chemistry wise.
Just be sure the filter is sufficient for the size of the tank, and provides the necessary aeration.

I have a 40 gal. hex, and once it is established, which does take a bit longer, pretty much just takes care of itself.

As far as breeding and tank size, number etc. that would depend on what your intensions are.
Do you want to breed guppies for profit, for fun, or for improving a particular strain?

And, the different methods are as numerous as the breeders out there.

Scott knows way more on the subject than I do.

One author that I think is very knowledgeable on guppies is Homer Mozart, I have one of his books.
They are well written, concise, and accurate.

He has one that I think is called, "Raising and Breeding Guppies in Captivity."
You can usually find his books in the book section of most pet stores. They run about $8.00 and are well worth the investment in my opinion.

I tend to give more credence to the printed, published word, but that's just me.

You might want to read the article New Guppies for some more information that we've discussed here.

:-)

 



Tank Size (none / 0) (#2)
by GuppyAdict on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 03:07:18 PM PST

Hi Guppygirl,

I actually have quite a lot of guppy books and unfortunately that is not one of them.  I have looked for that book everywhere and noone seems to have it in stock.  The LFS do not have any books specifically for guppies, only tropical fish books are available.

Once I fully establish my tank, I would like to start off breeding guppies just for fun and depending on how well I do, possibly for profit.  Nothing to serious though.  

On another note, I decided to start my tank over from scratch.  The cloudiness in my water was getting worse and worse eachday.  I ended up cleaning everything lastnight from top to bottom (don't worry, no soap was used).  

It ran all night with the Amquel +, and I did all the water testing this morning and everything looks really good.  What would you suggest I do from here to speed up the cycle?  Would you recommend I put my starter fish in now to start the cycle?  Can I put my fish in and use the "Cycle" solution too?  How does that Cycle solution work exactly?

I have visited many fish forums and this is absolutely the best by far.

I greatly appreciate all your help through this process.    

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Book suggestion (none / 0) (#17)
by guppygirl on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 10:51:54 AM PST

Try on Amizon.com or Barnes and Noble.
I'm pretty sure I saw it on one of those.

Or, from what I've read in this posting, just stay tuned here.
I know I've learned a thing or two reading it.
:-)

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Tank Size (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 06:18:27 PM PST

Hi GA

Try just putting a pair of guppies in. They will not too seriously tax the system. Their family should grow as the nitrogen cycle grows. :)

Putting a pair of livebearers, killies or anabandids in a 10 is my usual procedure for starting a new 10. 60% water from an established tank, well rinsed gravel - seeded if possible - some plants and sometimes a filter and it's ready to go.

GG mentioned that 20 gallon tanks are indeed a wise way to go. They are harder to upset with bad water and much more stable in terms of temperature. Fish have more room to exhibit their behaviors and more room to be seen.

If I could redo my fishroom and had lots of money, I think I would set up a bunch of 20 longs. They would be great for plants and have lots of water surface.

Food for thought: attended a workshop by a swordtail breeder. He recommended raising only FOUR PAIRS of youngsters in a 20 gallon tank so that they would get optimum growth!

That blew me away! He felt that we stunt our livebearers by crowding them.

Maybe we do people a dis-service by recommending 10s as starter tanks. In many ways a 20 would be better.

All the best,

U.S.

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Guppies as starter? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by GuppyAdict on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 06:50:59 PM PST

Hi UncleScott,

Do you think I can add a pair of guppies in this weekend to restart my nitrogen cycle?  They won't cloud up the water will they?  Cause I did do a major cleaning and started all over again from scratch.  

I already have a platy, 2 tera's and a tiger barb currently in my 5 gallon.

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guppy companions (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by unclescott on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 09:45:41 PM PST

Hey GA!

Give the tank a fresh start with a pair of guppies. Feed them regularly. If a little cloudiness appears, for the time being feed a little less.

By the bye, your platy will probably be a fine companion for guppies. Many tetras are also good guppy companions although they may find guppy fry delicious. :(

Some larger tetras such as the black widow tetras(Gymnocorymbus ternetzi) can be chasers and fin-nippers.

According to the aquarium literature, lone tiger barbs tend to be fin nippers. In schools they tend to behave themselves a little better, partly because they are "happier" and busier schooling and partly because they are constantly watching their own flanks for nippy compatriots.

I only have had one school of barbs. They were in a community tank of fishes all robust enough to take care of themselves and everyone got along fine. Tiger barbs are considered among the most active of barbs and will even chase more sedentary barbs to distraction.

Watch your tiger barb. He may be fine. (They seldom read the aquarium literature.) If your guppy's tails get tattered you may want to pull him.

All the best!
US

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cloudy water (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by GuppyAdict on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 10:56:54 PM PST

Hi Unclescott,

Is it normal for water to get cloudy after a new aquarium setup?  I went home for lunch today and noticed that there was a light cloud in the tank.  I don't even have any fish in it.

Should I still put my guppies in there with the cloud if the water testing comes out good?  Will the water eventually clear?  Any chemicals I can use that is safe to clear the cloud?

Thanks so much for all your help.  An established tank seems so far away for me right now.  

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Still with the cloudy water? ARGH!! (none / 0) (#16)
by guppygirl on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 10:47:55 AM PST

Hey there GuppyAdict,

You could try adding something called "Crystal Clear"(or something like that) to the water and see if that helps.

I would wait for a little while and let's at least see if it improves before adding any fish.

Sorry you had to start over. :(  
But, been there, done that, too.

Don't be daunted by how much equipment is needed to breed, you can start slowly, as Scott mentioned.

What you have is a great start, equipment wise, I think. You have enough to avoid any crowding, right now, and you can explore other options as you go along.
For example, you may only need to use the tank you've set up for "quarantine" while you are purchasing fish.

Once you have made your selections, you can clean it and use it for another purpose entirely.

I have very limited space, and money for my hobby,
and a hubby that would murder me if I set up another tank. So I have only three.

Have I bred guppies? Sure
Was I able to enjoy it? Of Course!!
Did it take some creative finagling? Loved every minute of it.

Was I able to achieve my objectives? Well, they seemed to change with every litter of fry that were born. And, the odd balls all won, along with some of the better lower fins.

Making a profit on guppies is way beyond my means.
But, breeding them for me,  finding them good homes, and just having fun doing it, was all I asked for anyway.

And, once upon a time, I had a question, and found Guppylog, and now this is kind of a hobby too.
One, that I truly enjoy!!!

My favorite way to relax is still watching my fish in my community tank.
I just wish I had more time to do THAT!!! ;-)

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Still Cloudy (none / 0) (#18)
by GuppyAdict on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 04:58:01 PM PST

Hi Guppygirl,

Yes, my water is still cloudy.  Not as bad as my first set up though.  And today, it hasn't gotten any worse, but it also has cleared either.  This is just a very light cloud.  I went ahead and just put one of my tetra's in, cuz I figured I needed to still cycle the tank, right?  Will the tank still cycle without fish?  If so, should I take my tetra out?

I'm rethinking the whole breeding guppies thing.  I think I will buy them and just let nature do it's thing.  If I get fry from them great, if not, that's ok too.  I could always give them away as gifts.  As for breeding them for profit, I don't think that will happen.  I already have 3 tanks, and if I bought another one, my hubby would kill me too.  Besides, I don't have a whole lot of time either with my pre-teen and 9 month old boy.

As for the crystal clear, will it be available in my LFS?  I've seen other solutions like that, but aren't they usually for established tanks?  Will this slow down my cycle?

And after reading unclescott's posting on live plants and your responses, I'm thinking about getting a few.  Would you recommend it for a beginner like me?  If it's ok, when would I place the live plants in my tank? During or after the cycle has completed?

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Hey, guess what happened to me? (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by guppygirl on Sun Sep 07, 2003 at 07:42:11 PM PST

My toddler fed my guppies yesterday!!!

So, one tank is a blasted mess, and it sounds like we're in the same boat (time wise) when something like this happens.

How he was able to do it would take to long to explain, let's just say he thought they were very, very, hungry.

Just thought I'd let you know what can, and does happen in the life of guppygirl.

Yes, you do need fish to get a cycle started because the first ingredient is ammonia. So a nitrogen cycle cannot begin in a tank without fish.

As far as the cloudy water goes, if it's not getting any worse, (and it's only a "very light"
cloud) we'll think of it as a bunch if itsy bitsy suspended air particles, and hold off on adding any chemicals.

As far as plants go, I'm a beginner as well, but I think we should wait for the tank to cycle first.

As far as your approach to guppy breeding, that's really all I've ever done.  Oh, I've played around with combining different males and females, and trying for a better lowersword variety, but nothing professional.

I've just learned a lot along the way, like "How to save your fish when your young niece, nephew, or toddler, empties an entire can of fish food into the tank."

Yes, it IS called the "hard way".
;-)

 

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Ohhh Wow, (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by GuppyAdict on Mon Sep 08, 2003 at 03:23:19 PM PST

I just can't wait for my 9 month old to start walking.  I'm sure I'll have those stories to tell.  

On other note, it looks like the cloudy water is finally clearing.  I'm actually getting excited again about being able to put guppies in my tank in a couple of weeks.  What is the max amount of fish I can put in my 10 gallon tank? I'd like to put just guppies in and those to Danios I just received.    

BTW, will Zebra Danios eat Guppy fry?  Are they aggresive fish?  I got 2 as a gift this weekend and don't know anything about them.  

I would be grateful for any info on them.

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Zebra danios and guppies (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by unclescott on Mon Sep 08, 2003 at 05:13:58 PM PST

Zebras will get along ok with guppies. In time you may want to get a few more danios (darn, I'm spending somebody's money and time again) since they are either schooling or shoaling fish and will chase each other around (recreationally, but see below) rather than pester the guppies.

As to zebras and guppy fry. Uncle Scott's first rule of aquarium compatibility is, "If a fish can fit into the mouth, it will!"

By the way. if you happen upon a tank of zebras or other danios (and a number of new and related species are finding their ways into the hobby) about the time sunlight first lights up the room (or even the tank), you may see the zebras dashing around the tank. Guppies and Corydorus are frantically picking at the gravel.

The danios of course are spawning. In fact they are so accomodating as to be almost shameless. The guppies and Corys are appreciating it. If you have ever seen how small newly hatched danio fry are, you will thank your lucky stars that you raise guppies. :)

All the best,

Uncle...

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I read that Zebra Danios (none / 0) (#24)
by GuppyAdict on Mon Sep 08, 2003 at 05:38:50 PM PST

lay eggs versus's guppies who are livebearers.  Does this make it dangerous for both?  I noticed that the 2 danios I have constantly chase eachother around.  Should I get at least 2 more?  Will they hurt eachother?  How do I tell the males from females apart?  

On another note, my tank has been running for 4 days now with just my 2 tetra's in (they should be enough for my tank to cycle, right)and I was thinking about adding some java ferns in along with the plastic plants that I aready have.  When is it safe to add them into the tank?  How do I plant them?

Thanks a lot Scott!

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Keeping zebra danios and guppies together (none / 0) (#26)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 03:34:24 PM PST

should not be dangerous. As mentioned before, guppy fry and zebra eggs will probably be devoured. It would be hard to raise zebra fry in a tank with their parents. (The usual practice is to feed the parents well, let them make whoppee for a couple of days, pull the parents out and wait for the little whoppees to emerge from the gravel a couple of days later.)

I don't think that zebra danios are really schooling fish. (Please feel free to watch them and correct me.) Schooling fish tend to swim together in a loose formation, aiming pretty much in the same directions and changing course together.

Zebras hang out near each other, swimming and chasing on their own courses within the same vicinity. This is often described as shoaling. This should sound familiar in that guppies and other livebearers often shoal too.

Schooling and shoaling are useful devices when predators are around. When somebody big and hungry comes shopping, it is hard to get a fix on a specific individual among all those moving, scattering fish.

A pretty standard minimum for zebras, barbs, tetras and Corys - if you want to enjoy the phenomenon of shoaling - is to buy a no less than 6 fish OF THE SAME SPECIES. (Nuts, I'm spending your money again.) Their behavior really is different with a number of their compatriots. That is why schooling and shoaling fish look so neat in larger tanks. More comfortable behavior may also translate into stronger immune systems and equal healthier fish - if we keep our part of the bargain and continue with the 20-30% weekly water changes. :)

Single species tanks, especially with livebearers, are more productive of fry than multiple species tanks. Each species seems to recognize it's own fry and is more inclined to leave them alone. (Is recognition visually done? Is it by scent?)

Once in a while a livebearer species has such large fry that the other fish let them be. I had a tank of those blue/turquoise rainbow fish (Mel. lucastris) and some of those big honking Mexican goodieds - the Ilyodon furcidens. Both species seem to appreciate some current in the tank and some veggie material in their diet, they were similar sized and more interested in the pecking order within their own species group, so they were good companion fishes.

The livebearer fry were born at a husky 5/8th of an inch. Even after they had shed their trophotaeniae, the placenta-like connections by which the mother nourished the fry, the baby furcidens were far too big to be eaten by the 2.5-3 inch rainbows and they simply ignored them.

Guppy fry don't have that advantage. In fact, in many places in nature, guppy males are mouth sized for a terrific number of predators and female guppies outnumber males. :(

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Java ferns, are among (none / 0) (#25)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 02:43:49 PM PST

my very favorite plants. They do well in light, but can get along and even grow with light levels less than what many other plants would tolerate. There are a couple of horticultural forms around. The Windelov form is showing up at club auctions more and more.

There are also a couple of different leaf forms among the wild forms too. This shouldn't be a surprise in that the genus Microsorium actually contains a small number of species. Google image searches will probably show you what I mean.

Just place them in the tank. Most people would recommend just setting it in a tank and letting those little dark rootlets take hold.

If you want to get fancy, you can loosely rubber band the rhizome to a piece of driftood or a rock. The rhizome is that substantial part of the plant which the leaves connect to. In a month or so those little rootlets growing from the rhyzome will have grabbed onto the rock or driftwood and you can use a comparatively clean pair of scissors to cut off the rubber band(s).

Those are very attractive attached to such an object. I have a piece of driftwood completely lined with the narrow leaved form of Java fern. There may be another such branch of Java ferns in my living room tank known as "The Green Heck."

A plant importer mentioned to me that Java ferns often grow attached to logs near water. In the rainy/flood season they may be completely submerged.

As true ferns, they will develop spores when grown out of water. Spores are formed only on the emersed(air and wet soil grown) plant (though the ferns can be kept in wet plastic bags a long time) and spores are serious work to culture, However they will reproduce vegetatively in the water - little plants will grow off of the big ones.

Given opportunity (some light, minimal water movement, occasional water changes) they can grow pretty big. Legendary Chicagoland aquarist George Maier gave me my first two Java ferns. In a year or two one completely filled up a ten gallon tank, the other a 20 gallon tank!

By the way, they will even tolerate some salt in the tank. I find that amazing in that true ferns and salt usually don't go well together.

As my job seasonally got very intense, the fish tanks would suffer neglect. (To wit: I terribly neglected water changes.) The two ferns, named Frick and Frack by a buddy of mine, reacted very differently. Frick just up and died - from lack of nutrients? Funky water in it's new 20?

Frack reacted differently in it's old 20. It fell apart/ morphed into dozens, maybe a hundred or more little Java ferns. Many of those "Fracklings" found their way all over the southern suburbs of Chicagoland.

They make a nice mix with plastic plants too. A plant purist once sniffed, "If I was going to keep plastic plants, I might as well keep plastic fish too."

However plastic plants look so realistic today (ok, not those dreadful purple and hot pink ones) that you can mix and match and keep people guessing as to what you actually have in your tanks ;)  Even those big, professional aquariums like Shedd do that once in a while.

All the best!
Uncle

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I truly enjoy... (none / 0) (#27)
by GuppyAdict on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 03:56:27 PM PST

reading your comments.  They are all like short stories, which are very informative.

As for the Java ferns, how many should I buy to get started (remember, I'm a beginner)?  And when would it be safe to add them to my tank? I had to restart my tank and it has been up and running for 5 days now with just 2 tetra's.  By the way, I am very happy to say that my water is no longer cloudy.  In fact, it is very clear.  

Do you think it would be too taky to add live plants in with my plastic ones?  Do I just place them in a corner floating near the gravel and wait for them to take root?  


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You should be able to (none / 0) (#28)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 04:57:23 PM PST

add any Java ferns (actually South East Asian ferns of the genus Microsorium, that area is a biological region) whenever you feel like it. Certainly if your tank is clearing, it's a fine time to add them.

Plants can also help when the tank is a little funky. Faster growing bunch or floating plants would obviously absorb more if the lighting was there.

The only time I would hold back on adding them is if the water smells of chlorine (Mondays in some towns around here - the water department people must come back from the weekend and really add a slug of the stuff).

Those plants are so tough, I have even put them down on the floor in a corner when they were covered with that hated hair algae. Water changes help, but the algae will probably go away with out it in a few months. The Java fern hangs in there.

How many has to do with your wallet, tank size and vision of what you want to do. It is not a fast grower, so you could put several young ones in a 10 gallon tank and you wouldn't have to transplant any for quite a while.

By the way, I hear of people tossing out extra Java fern and Java moss! Incredible! I plead with them to bring them to club meetings or post a "wanted good home for a Java fern" on lists like this. Standard priority mail postage with the fern in a box (better a small styro inside) will do the trick.

Someday I want to set up a larger tank with better lighting and a CO2 unit and put some of both the "Java" plants in there. I have seen Java moss (and Cryptocoryns)do remarkable things in a 125 with good lighting and a CO2 unit. Just because we get away with modest facilities for these planys doesn't mean they couldn't grow much more quickly.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you can arrange a live plant, plastic combo go for it.

I can't draw on a check book, so am always impressed by the beauty of what others do in an aquarium.

There are some wonderful plant sites on the net. Maybe start with the AAGA site and browse and link, browse and link.

Also, sometimes general aquarium clubs do pretty neat things with their aquarium beautiful classes - and those are usually short term projects. As an example, see http://aquariumhobbyist.com/tctfs/show.html

I had a chance to visit that event a couple of weekends ago. Neat people, beautiful fish and tanks in a relatively small show.

They have their auction this weekend. I have no moollah, no time and no tank space for new arrivals. It's wise not to go there under those circumstances. ;)

All the best!
Scott D.

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LOL! (none / 0) (#21)
by Scott Lockwood on Sun Sep 07, 2003 at 11:29:36 PM PST

It is a testiment to your super guppy powers that the fish are stil alive.  :-)

My 9 month old eyes the tank hungrily, eager to make up for all the time he nas not been able to feed the fish...  :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Insert fish here. ;) (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 02:28:20 AM PST

You know what G.A., if the tank is cloud, you are right. It would be good to let it sit for a little bit to see if it will stabilize and clear.

I forget (sorry senior moment) what kind of filter you have in that tank. Waiting gives it a chance to develop a modest bacterial collection.

Either your platy. barb or pair of guppies, as Scott has suggested, would be fine starting the tank. If you want fry, you only want the guppies in that tank.

If that is a female platy, she may surprise you by dropping fry too. They have the disconcerting habit of dropping a few every day for a time - rather different from the guppies.

Also, even if you are going to put all of those fish together, Put the shy ones (the guppies) in first. Then the modestly assertive fish (the platy) should be added and lastly the more aggressive fish (the tiger barb). Who is there first does effect dominence games among the fish.

Marine aquarists came up with that idea. Each new addition to a community should be a little bigger than the ones already there. That way they don't get pummeled.

Guppies, as a rule, are much more accomodating and "friendly" that coral reef fish. But it is an interesting idea when mixing freshwater fish.

By the way - as to what can be done in a ten gallon tank. At the end of my 7th grade year, my science teacher sent me home with 6 baby wild style guppies in a pickle jar. The following Christmas my folks got us a 10 gallon tank to house the growing guppy population in the old goldfish bowls. The following fall 232 guppies were pulled from among the val and hornwort in that tank. :)

All the best,
Scott D.

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Sorry to be... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by GuppyAdict on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 02:56:39 AM PST

such a pest Scott.  I am a total beginner, so please bare with me.  

I started off by just picking out the most colorful fish to look at (Platy & Tiger Barb), of course not knowing any facts about them (besides the one you see posted on the tank in the LFS).  

Now, I have this addiction to fish.  I think it's more of determination to get my darn tank up and running.  I know this has got to be a lot easier to set up then what I seem to be experiencing.  

On another note, do you have any experience with those new aquariums with the bio-wheel?  That's what I have.  Do I need more aeration for my tank?  Or is this the best thing now?

P.S. How do I know if my Platy is male or female?  Do they normally throw them together in the LFS?

Thanks,
Fawn

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Don't be sorry :) (none / 0) (#14)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 05:40:02 AM PST

Don't apologize for questions. I wish the net with it's mailing lists and forums had been around when I was getting into the hobby. I remember with what fear and trepidation I called up this grand old man of the hobby in Chicago. Even a blabber mouth like me about choked just asking for the guy.

Aquarium and guppy clubs were often bigger then, but if you didn't have a club, info was not always too easy to come by. On the whole, a couple of decades ago, shops were better places to get information.

As for biowheels, there are a lot of people better equiped to answer at this site, but I have heard & read some pretty heavy hitters really praising them. They seem to dramatically increase the capacity of that power filter as a biological filter.

Platies are certainly gender mixed in shops. They are a part of the large family (or subfamily) that the guppies are in. The males also fertilize females with a gonopodium and the female carries the young for a little over a month. Male platies are not nearly as obviously male as most poecilids though and I have mistaken gender. With some color forms of platy the females show the gravid spot prominently, with others they don't.

One way to sex platies and other fishes is to look at them from above. That certainly works with Corys and many livebearers.

With some egg layers (killies, some tetras and barbs) the fish can be "candled". They are put in a jar. As one holds the jar up to one's eye. a flashlight is shown through the fish. Often eggs are seen in the female's body.

Guppies are easy to sex. Still you might carefully candle a female just to see how it is done. You can see how developed the fry are that way. Then if you are stumped by the platy, try candling it.

If that still doesn't work, just feed the darn thing and look at it from above every week or leave it by itself and see who shows up. ;)

Then you will encounter the goofy female who only drops fry on an extremely irregular basis.

If you were to watch platies in a shop, watch to see who courts whom. You will see males gathering their anal fin complex to mate with females.

That is probably inadequate for your one fish, but some platies have kept me guessing too.

All the best,
Scott D

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Thats why I keep... (none / 0) (#15)
by GuppyAdict on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 06:26:07 AM PST

on coming back to Guppylog. You, Scott L. and Guppygirl are great!!  

As for my Platy, I'll try and look at my platy from up above to figure out the sex(I'll at least try).  Why is it that they don't separate the Platy's like they do with the guppies in the LFS?  

Would it help my system to have additional aeration in it?  

Thanks again,
Fawn

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Separating genders is (none / 0) (#19)
by unclescott on Sat Sep 06, 2003 at 05:37:00 PM PST

seldom done with most livebearers because of space considerations. Also, very few customers buy fish with the intention of breeding them.

I'm very impressed that your LFS takes the trouble to separate their guppies. Do they separate females? And more importantly, are they able to tell them apart?

When I am king of the world and establish "Ye Royal Fish Shoppe", I will probably display the male guppies in a large tank. I would have the females separated into smaller tanks. Digital photos of the matching males would be posted on each tank.

Ah well, it's fun to dream.

Your filter, if clean and running unobstructed, is probably enough. In larger tanks, some aquarists will run a sponge or box filter in addition to their major (power, cannister, gerbil) filter so that they have a fail safe if the big one fails. A lotta good that does during a power outage. ;)

The actual aeration, or gas exchange, takes place when the water is brought to the surface and surface tension is broken. I was surprised to discover that bubbles from the airstone actually contribute very little O2 to the water. What they do, quite well, is circulate the water to the surface where the oxygen exchange takes place.

People using CO2 units, to give their plants a boost, will often set their CO2 units to release that gas in a powerhead stream aimed so it will not shoot up to the tank surface. In time some of the extra CO2 will still be released into the atmosphere. They want to keep a set amount in the tank.

That circulation of water is also important if you have a heater in the tank. Don't use a heater w/o water circulation.

They sell powerheads with venturis so that process can be accelerated. I found their noise annoying (despite actually finding some peace and comfort in the putt-putt and gurgles of most systems)and don't even know where I stashed the unused venturi attachments. :(

All the best...
US

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An economic decision (none / 0) (#7)
by Scott Lockwood on Fri Sep 05, 2003 at 06:36:19 PM PST

Yeah, but, we don't have unlimmited resources.  Space and other factors may not permit that.  Personally, I'm happy with 10's, but I do believe in spreading out the load.  I do have fish that seem smaller due to crowding in the tank.  I'm working on setting up tank #10 to make it a little easier on them.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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