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What do you use to season water?

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By unclescott, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Oct 29, 2003 at 11:40:10 AM PST
By now many of us have learned that raw tap water is dangerous for our guppies. Dangerous (heavy) metals need to settle out or be bound in a safe form by a water conditioner. The chlorine (much like bleach) and ammonia (sometimes mixed as chloramines) kindly added by our water departments to kill bacteria aren't so easy on other living things.

Update [2003-10-29 11:40:10 by Scott Lockwood]: Linkified the link for you...



Some water departments also add lime to raise the pH of the water and limit dissolving of the lead in the pipes. Somehow, a little aluminum sometimes may also get into the mix. (People in modern industrial countries have 1000 times the lead content in their systems that a medieval European would have - according to analysis of hair samples.)

Reverse Osmosis (R.O.) sellers have been advertizing their units (which take most everything dissolved in the water out) to produce water for mixing baby formula in. Evidentally (and horrifyingly) the ammonia (= nitrates) in water has cost at least one infant it's life.

The so called growth inhibiting substances released by fish in aquarium water may be in part simply the nitrogenous waste they and all living animals excrete. Excess nitrogen (I am told) decreases the efficient use of oxygen and bodily processes (growth, disease prevention, healing, reproduction....) This means that we need to let our water season.

Seasoned water has meant different things to different people. Often it only means a day or two wait. For some of us more involved in the hobby, it means filling up a large container, letting it sit several days and then drawing water from it over the next week or three. In one case, an individual filled up a cistern and aged water could even be a year old!

Probably a week, more or less, is a pretty good rule of thumb. Every day, the water will release a little chlorine. There will still be measurable amounts of chlorine at week's end - but it will be considerably diminished from the start of the week. That can be accelerated with a water conditioner or even aeration.

There was a time when American aquarists could turn on our water taps, adjust the warm and cold water and pretty much refill the tanks. One wouldn't want to try that in most places today.
(There are a few lucky ducks still...)

I can't believe that (as a kid) I got away with dumping my bowl of gold fish in one of the kitchen sinks (it was the rinsing side), scrubbing out the bowl with a paper towel and refilling that bowl with tap water (measured by feel to equalize temperatures) and dropping the goldfish back in. If it wasn't for the cat, they might have lived forever. ;)

If you don't know what is in the water or what had been added, check with your town's water department. They should have an EPA analysis sheet of what's in there. Again your tax dollars at work. And it is your right to know.

I have used gallon water jugs, an extra aquarium, camp ground carboys, those five gallon water jugs from water coolers, (seasoned) plastic garbage cans a couple of years old (used for garden water, bleaching dirty tanks, etc.) to store water.

People have stored water in stock watering tanks. They have utilized buckets and barrels formerly used to store food in - after they were bleached, rinsed with hot water, and aired in the sun. Sometimes the larger containers are set on styrofoam (old fish boxes never die) to insulate them against the floor or blocks they stand on. Good submersible heaters have been used to raise their temperature a degree or two above room temperature.

Probably most any soapless, greaseless, food quality plastic could be used. Maybe stainless steel - avoid other metals - could be used in a pinch. Old ceramic pickle crocks (those are probably collector's items now) and other voluminous food holders could work. I've often wondered about those 20 gallon all purpose plastic tubs at the big box hardware stores.

There are aquarists who have set up a large "vat" on cinder blocks so that they can change water just with the use of gravity and a siphon. It gets even more complicated if a person is keeping not only tap water, but an RO mix for spawning rainforest fish and or a mix of brackish water. (I try to keep 30 gallons of our "liquid rock" tap water and 50 gallons of R.O. water on hand at all times. No conditioners are used. Sometimes heaters and air stones are.)

Be glad that guppies are generally comfortable with most temperate (North American, Turkish and Paraguayan) tap waters. People in tropical regions and western Europe may have to be more careful. (The radical water shift may be why guppies raised in Singapore don't always fair too well when imported elsewhere if they haven't been properly acclimated to the new water.)

Although there are a few Poeciliids from waters with low mineral counts, for the most part livebearers in the hobby are hardwater fish and pretty easy to keep in local water... if - of course - it is fairly frequently changed.

(For a further disussion of this see the thread on "flow through systems"
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200310/index.html   )

Here's my question to you. What do you season your aquarium water in? We all promise not to tell the rest of your (and my) families what we are up to. ;)

Thanks

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What do you use to season water? | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 hidden)
Water (none / 0) (#6)
by Leon on Mon Nov 03, 2003 at 06:30:05 PM PST

Hi unclescott. You mentioned Paraguayan water, I live in Asuncion, Paraguay, and let me tell you my Fish and I do NOT agree with you. First of all. The water processing here is a MES, depends on the time of year, In the Winter one can take a chance to age Tap water, but in the summer the temp goes + 38ºC so the processing plant can not keep up with the demand, and they just chuck in anything, It is not always safe for hymen consumption, And I will not try to lose my fish again :(. I get mineral Water, at least I know what is in it, aerate for 24 hours, and then let it stand for a week 60 - 80 liter per week, depends on the needs of the fish.
Leon Hattingh Paraguay


Wow, I apologize Leon! (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 03:57:50 AM PST

I should have noticed/ remembered that Paraguay is right on the Tropic of Capricorn! I'm not surprised that it gets warm, but 38 C (101 F) for tap water seems astonishingly hot. I can see why it would be dangerous for guppies or virtually any aquarium fish.

So long as I have been consistantly wrong on Asuncion's latitude and temperatures, am I also wrong about how hard the water is? The look at the map I should have taken before making that awful temperate zone comment also shows several mighty river systems. Is your water relatively low in mineral content?

Is your bottled mineral water popular as a drinking water?

The livebearer Phalloceros caudimaculatus is found in Paraguay, isn't it? Are there other livebearers native to your country?

Do they need the "hard" water that guppies and mollies seem to need?

Thanks, and again I apologize for the ignorent geographical generalization.

All the best,

Scott Davis

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Thank you! (none / 0) (#1)
by cloe on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 02:50:07 AM PST

I have to say your articles are great and I (cant speak for everyone) really appreciate them!
As far as seasoning water, much to my husband's sometime complaint, I recycle the filtered water bottles (2 1/2 g) from the grocery and always have atleast 6-7 laying around at any given time for water changes! Nothing to exotic, though clumsy when they get in the way of his big feet!
Thank you again!
Cloe



Different container, same complaint... (none / 0) (#2)
by guppygirl on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 03:51:18 AM PST

I recycle my gallon milk jugs and use those.

I often cut a larger opening in the top, and a
anti-glug~glug hole in the top of the handle.

I've been saving a few extras for when my new tank comes in, sometime this year I hope.
My husband keeps asking me, "Do you really need any more?"

I'll be filling and stashing them soon, but where?

If I hide them under the dining room table, or a
similar location, my two year old will have a field day.

The basements too cold, they won't fit under the
beds, I already checked.

If I keep them on the counter I know they will get dumped.

Any suggestions?


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Hmmmmm..... (none / 0) (#3)
by Reza on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 04:59:01 AM PST

Closet?
Pantry Floor? (is there a door to close?)

Even if you put them in the basement, couldn't you season them there and then bring them to the kitchen counter to warm up?

I'll keep thinking...and let you know if I come up with anything else.

:-)

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Closet (s)???? (none / 0) (#4)
by guppygirl on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 11:31:06 AM PST

HAAA-HAAA, TEEE-HEEEE, OOOHHH-OOOHHH, <giggle uncontrollably, wipe eyes>

In my house? Non existent, or stuffed to level "red", should have warning signs on doors!! <continuation of giggling, wiping eyes>

Pantry~ turned that into a first floor bathroom, but maybe able to use some floor space there. Will definitely use to "warm up", toasty, and mine, mine, mine!!!

Have been thinking about basement, plenty of room on unused workbench I made for hubby.

Thanks for the suggestions Reza!
:-)


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Glad I could help! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Reza on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 02:11:29 PM PST

I have that same response when it comes to closet space.  

We have ONE.
Yes, just one...and it's in the baby room, therefore almost useless unless you have great timing or can plan ahead.

Your first floor bathroom...*I have visions of neat little rows of gallon and two-gallon jugs linging the perimeter of the space leaving enough room for a walkway in and out and maybe to turn around.*  ;-)

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Doesn't it seem like the builders of (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 05:23:54 PM PST

houses constructed 50 plus years ago assumed (when planning storage) that everyone would only have two changes of clothing and that the kids would all be thrilled with sleeping in bunk beds?

They also assumed that one would only need about two electrical outlets in a room too. ;)

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Warning, Low Clearance Below!!! (none / 0) (#9)
by guppygirl on Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 09:56:49 PM PST

Our house is in a village most people considered, during that time, to be an Upstate NY "Little Italy".  

There were many Italian immigrants who lived here working in the piano factory, and on the railroad line.

Most of our homes have second kitchens in the basements, but, (heavy sigh) you need to be shorter than 4'10" to move around without clunking yourself in the head on the I-beams.

DOH!!!!
:-)

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Hey (none / 0) (#10)
by cloe on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 07:58:41 PM PST

Upstate NY cant be knocked as I come from there too - Pawling  in fact - I now live it what is also considered suberban Little Italy (though some people have more colorful names for it too ), five Italian resturants in one little town, Italian bakery, Italian church, and some suspect a few crooked noses too! Cloe

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Is upstate New York most everything except N.Y. (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 02:39:21 AM PST

city? In Illinois, everything outside of Chicago and the suburban collar counties is downstate. Even Rockford, 40 miles north of Chicago is "downstate."

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That depends.... (none / 0) (#12)
by guppygirl on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 12:05:01 PM PST

if you ask the people, or the politicians!!!!

There is also a breakdown by region, Western NY (Buffalo), Central NY (Rochester, where I am),The Adirondacks, etc., but mostly to keep from people asking if we're from NYC, we say Upstate NY.

I wasn't really knocking Upstate NY, just the height of my basement ceilings.
But, this morning as I look out at the snow.....
*************Heavy Sigh****   *********     ***
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   *   *  *   *   **     *    * ***  * *** *  ***  *  *** ** **   *   *   *  **  *  *  ** ** **

:-(
                                           

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Oh my god (none / 0) (#13)
by cloe on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 02:08:17 PM PST

you have snow already? Jeez, and here I was knocking the windy cold weather we were having here in "southern" NY! I am about two hours from Albany (90 minutes if I drive fast!) Though not close to any one guppy group. Went to the South Jersey guppy meeting for the first time and that was alot of fun, there is the New England guppy club, I went to a show this summer and they were great and friendly too. You know what? Guppy people just rule, simple. Cloe (keep the snow up there! =)   )

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